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QUOTE(letsgoarow @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 04:05 AM) jenks wasnt warm yet That's no excuse. That's Ozzie's fault then, as you could sense that situation coming that whole inning. If you want to bring him in the game, you can find a way to stall enough.

I have no clue why the Astros didn't have Palmeiro bat for Taveras. That's almost as bad as Hermanson over Jenks.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 04:04 AM) It's not like our closer is automatic, fathom. I'm blaming the walks myself Well, if we walked runs in, then I would blame them. If Jenks would have come in and given up a 3 run homer, I wouldn't have complained for one second.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 04:03 AM) This isn't 2nd guessing. Look at the posts leading up to those situations. Quite a few of us were saying how stupid the moves were. fathom u said you weren't going to complain at all this postseason. our pitchers have f***ed this up with walks. On to Game Four! Hopefull we'll be sharper. We had the chance to require our closer to get 4 outs. Instead, we chose a guy with a bad back, diminished stuff, and who hasn't pitched in almost a month. I'm sorry I'm not as content as you are.

Bring in Jenks! You need a strike out, and Duque's fastball has no life on it.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 04:01 AM) Everyone in the world knew that Rowand hd no chance vs Lidge. You know what? I thought Aaron might bleed a hit to rf. We're losing the game if we indeed lose it because our pitchers are f***ing up late and walking people. Yes, Cliff and Cotts walked someone, but we still had a chance to get out of the 8th with a lead. Ozzie basically played this game like it was a regular season game. You bring your f***ing closer in for that situation, and if you lose, you lose with your best.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 03:57 AM) haha, second guessing is really easy... isn't it. This isn't 2nd guessing. Look at the posts leading up to those situations. Quite a few of us were saying how stupid the moves were.

QUOTE(Antonio Osuna @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 03:59 AM) WTF is the Widge doing being in this game. If he was coming in the game, you should have had him hit for AJP against the tough lefty.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 03:57 AM) Fathom you amaze me sometimes. You never ever blame the talent. You wanted a pinch hitter for Aaron? You put your players in the best chance to succeed. Everyone in the world knew that Rowand hd no chance vs Lidge. As for the Hermanson debacle, that might be the most gutless move I've seen by a manager. Was Ozzie worried that Jenks gave up runs last game? Hermanson has nothing left...it's been obvious for a few months. Jenks made Lane look foolish in the first two games with FASTBALLS! Thus, we bring in someone who just throws junk.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 03:56 AM) Aaron has been brutal Has been? More like he is.

Apparently we're the only ones that know Rowand sucks beyond belief against the righty slider. Great turn of events Ozzie!!

Two potentially critical managerial errors made by Ozzie.

I was obviously upset with bringing in Hermanson over Jenks, but I want a civil conversation with my fellow Sox fans to discuss what they think about the critical pitching move.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 03:50 AM) Seems like we've only had a few really good pitches to hit of late. I guess not every pitcher is coming off of 25 days rest?

Timo should ph for Rowand.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 03:44 AM) Man how the f*** do you walk those guys. DAMMIT. They walked those guys, but Hermanson had a job to do, and he failed. That was way too good of a pitch on 1-2 for Lane.

SWINGING AT BALL 4!

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 03:40 AM) I would have brought in Duque instead of Hermy, but I don't think Ozzies call to bring in Hermanson was "f***ING STUPID". weren't you calling for Cotts to come in like the 5th? I just don't see why Hermanson should have been brought in there. He hasn't pitched in 25 days, and even when he pitched then, his stuff basically sucked. Lane is the type of hitter who you can blow the heater by, but he can crush the slow stuff with his long swing.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 03:37 AM) How? you guys were begging for Cotts... got him and walked someone wtf? Cotts was the right move. Bringing in Hermanson was f***ING STUPID! Hermanson basically hasn't been a part of this team for a month, yet we bring him in for one of the biggest outs of the year.

These sliders don't have a lot of bite on them at all. I simply can't believe we didn't bring in Jenks, who just made Lane look silly.

If I hear Ozzie mention that the reason he didn't bring Jenks in was cause he wasn't warmed up, I'll f***ing puke!

f*** YOU OZZIE! Way to pitch someone who hasn't gone in 25 days. Worst managing decision of the year!

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 03:34 AM) the layoff might have helped his back enough I heard today that he said it hasn't helped.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 26, 2005 -> 03:33 AM) Bobby just started throwing. What took him so long to get up? That whole inning was set up so that it would be righty/lefty/righty.

Lane can just sit back and crush hanging sliders...like what Hermanson throws. Jenks has made him look silly all series. Why Ozzie why? Go with your best!