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QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 08:23 PM) They appear to be giving up on themselves and have for some time. Fine, then they don't deserve to make the playoffs and deserve to be the laughing stock of baseball for a while. Don't worry, no one in the media really cares about the White Sox. If this was the Cubs, it would be at the top of every newscast. I've said this all along: if the Sox don't make the playoffs, they have no one to blame but themselves.

QUOTE(Linnwood @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 08:21 PM) WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS TEAM?! See my full organizational collapse post from a few days ago (you can add the collapse of Hermanson to the list, as well as the continuing awfulness that is Joey Cora).

I'm as negative as it gets, but anyone giving up on this team with a 4.5 game lead is an f'n pussy. If it makes you feel better, fine. However, to give up on them is ridiculous.

What's Hawk's reaction today?

I've been staying away from this gt all day, but did Uribe have a play on the guy going to 3rd base there? Help us out for those that can't watch this amazing game.

Here's the only thing I have to say in regards to this game today Also, no Iguchi in today's lineup.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 02:37 PM) s***, we beat him earlier this season, and we will beat him again. We did? Last time I checked, we're 0-3 against him.

Here's the solution: WIN!

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 05:10 AM) For 10 games, sure. But they aren't an .800 caliber team in the playoffs. Their picthing won't hold up, IMHO. Why not, their starters are just as good as ours. Millwood, C.C., and Lee over the last few months have been a hell of a lot better than any 3 starting pitchers you put together on the Sox. They have a great bullpen also. Here's the big difference between the Sox and Indians now: The Indians trail late in a game, and they have all the confidence in the world they can win the game. Whenever the Sox get up by like 4 runs now, it just seems like they're letting the other team get right back into the game.

Sadly, the White Sox still have not won a game after trailing a game by two runs since the end of July. Pretty funny when you think about how the Sox were in control of this game, despite the awful start by Garcia.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 05:02 AM) One other thing. In case no one noticed, the slipping lead is mostly due to Cleveland's stellar play, not our downfall. That team was well under .500 for a while, and hovering around it until fairly recently. Cleveland will not keep playing .800 ball. They are good, but not that good. People have been saying this for over a month now. If we don't take care of them, it's hard to have a lot of faith in KC and Tampa for giving us any help. It's real simple now...if we don't win at least 2 games out of the 6 against the Indians, we're in deep s***!

I just hope that Dye isn't the scapegoat, and that Ozzie will keep him in the lineup. Go with our 9 person core, and let them dictate how their season goes from tonight.

I have no problem with Hermanson tonight. He deserved the chance, as he's been stellar. However, he clearly doesn't have much left. It's time for Jenks to become the full time closer. However, this will weaken our bullpen even more.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 04:01 AM) Podsednik is bad at defense? News to me. He is so fast he can get to everything in the field. Podsednik is a bad base stealer and bad on the base paths period? Liar! You are just a podsednik hater! Is this sarcasm about his defense?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 03:57 AM) I noticed 1 thing in your post there...you called the Indians a "Superior" team, despite the fact that we've beaten up on the Indians a lot this year. That says something. I think the fact is that if we lose tomorrow, not only will we all be in panic mode, either the Sox themselves will have to be in panic mode, or they simply won't care at all. Either way, it would be a very bad sign. Yes, I've made no secret of the fact that I think the Indians are a better team than the White Sox. We dominated them when their talent was underachieving, and ours was overachieving. Now, if we go play them good to end the season, we'll make the playoffs.

I'm seeing a lot of posts that say "If we lose tomorrow, we're done". Says who? There's a definite chance we'll lose the game tomorrow. You know what, even if we do....we still lead the Indians by 4.5 games. It's been obvious for a few days now that our playoff situation would revolve around how we do against the Indians. It's up to Ozzie to keep this team together. Don't give up on this team though. They're going to need our support more than ever next week against a superior team in the Indians.

QUOTE(S720 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 03:49 AM) FATHOM, here we go again. We scored 9 RUNS, and we had Garcia pitching against the lowly Royals. Now that we lost the game, you BLAMED Ozzie for the lost! Seriously, how old are you? Your statements are very childish! Without Ozzie, this team DEFINITELY will not be leading AL Central division right now. You want to come back to Jerry Manuel??? Says who? BTW, I was blaming Ozzie for this game being so close well before Hermanson s*** the bed. How can so many people not understand our argument that Ozzie let the Royals have a chance in this game by letting Garcia start the 6th?

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 03:43 AM) Very overlooked fact. FACT. Our starters have ALL been left out there way too long, and as we come down the stretch, the gas tanks are empty... Remember how much Dusty got blasted when the Cubs starters collapsed in 2003? This is just as blatant.

QUOTE(Felix @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 03:45 AM) Oh yes. Lets blame them for having the best record in the AL (and MLB for most of the year). Felix....read what he f***ing said. He said something along the lines of "maybe we need better players".

QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 03:44 AM) 2 run lead going into the 9th, your closer gets the first out then falls apart and they lose the game. Blame the player, he's the guy who didn't get it done. You blame the manager after every single loss. Considering I said I don't blame him for the Hermanson debacle, I think you're out of line. Get off my back, because unlike a lot of people who are free falling off the bandwagon, I've been voicing my complaints about Ozzie's managing all season.

QUOTE(rudylaw @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 03:41 AM) I know I know. But I put my heart and soul into this team as I'm sure the rest of you do and when you see the team and the season falling apart in just rips your heart and soul out. Maybe I'll just donkey punch my wife instead. Trust me, I've put so much time and energy into this team. Then, it hit me about 3 weeks ago that there's no reason to get too worked up about them. We're not talking about a once in a lifetime talented Sox team that if we don't win it all this year, we'll regret it for the rest of our lives. Look at our team...it's a solid bunch of players that have had a lot of pitchers have career years. Hey, we're still 5 games up. In the past, these choke jobs equated to the Sox being about 3 games behind the Twins.

QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 03:41 AM) You did. For the record, you mention every debacle. Sometimes three or four times. Sorry....this is an absolute debacle/choke job/collapse. However you want to call it.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 03:39 AM) Ozzie's in a slump Ozzie started using his pitchers way too long the first week after the ASB, when he left Garcia in the game until the 9th inning against the Tigers in a game that he had thrown a ton of pitches and had nothing left. Since then, he's been very hesistant to trust the bullpen.

QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 03:38 AM) Maybe they need better players who can execute better, what a concept that might be. Well, these are Ozzie and KW's players. That's one thing they have no one to blame for but themselves.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Sep 15, 2005 -> 03:36 AM) I've been waiting for someone to bring up this guy...you know...the guy who actually blew the game. I'm pretty sure I mentioned his debacle in the initial thread.