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QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 11, 2005 -> 03:09 PM) I disagree that he will continue the same numbers. His career trends right now show this year as an outlier in the last 5. I think he will regress a bit. Not only that, but I think he is a terrible replacement for Konerko at 1B. And if this organization wants to pencil in a player that has 1 career game at 1B as their starter for next year, be prepared to be very angry with them. That is not a move that you make after a successful year like this. That is a Royals move and i would lose alot of confidence in our managment if we use a stopgap like that. There is no reason to hold the team together with duct tape. If moving Dye to 1b allows the Sox to acquire some superstar offensive hitters at other positions, I'm all for the move. If they put Dye at 1b, and move Anderson to RF, then you're looking at a 3rd place team next season.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 11, 2005 -> 02:53 PM) Dye has been injury prone in his career, and it wasnt just a freak accident. Why do you think we got him for such a bargain. There is no real proof that he will continue to play as well as he has, based on his career numbers and trends. He will not play 1B for us, and if anything he will be a DH in the future. A lot of Dye's injuries happened from diving in the outfield. You would eliminate that aspect with him at 1b. Most experts thought that if Dye stayed healthy at the Cell, he'd hit 30 homers.

FWIW, the rumor going around is that the Phillies are going to try and sign Wagner for 3 yr/27 million.

Oh boy.....not more Chavez rumors!

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 11, 2005 -> 02:38 PM) Well, didnt he hurt himself at the plate 2 years ago? I dont think it has much to do with it. Well, I guess fluke injuries basically mean the Sox shouldn't go after a lot of players. If you're worried about the offensive production that Dye will give the Sox next year, then I don't want to know how poorly you think B. Anderson would do as an everyday starter. Of course this offense will likely suffer if PK leaves via free agency. It would be up to KW to use some of the money saved to bring another dynamic to this offense.

QUOTE(Nokona @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 10:39 PM) Millah for DH? How about we go after players that have proven they can still produce after the drug testing has been put in place?

QUOTE(Felix @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 07:07 PM) Timo played first this year, why dont we put him there? Wouldnt it be the same thing as putting Dye there? Do some of the people in this thread just not read the article that prompted these posts?

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 07:05 PM) Yes, if the other 3 are drunk and passed out.. and still Paulie only wins by hair. I'm the last person to ever be called a Sox homer....and you're completely wrong.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 06:06 PM) So Dye to 1B???? SHould I automatically start a thread where a-row catches, because its about as likely. It's shocking to me how some people just don't get it when it comes to baseball positioning. It's really as likely that Rowand catches? I call bulls*** on that. Dye already played 1b a game this season, and Ozzie has said he's comfortable with Dye at that position. This is all pure speculation, and Dye playing 1b should be about the Sox's 5th option next season.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 07:03 PM) What errors? Man you must be on the rock.. Paulie is by far the slowest..take off the White Sox blinders.. Konerko is faster than LeCroy, Molina, and Jason Phillips.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 05:53 PM) since when do we have a spot open in the OF? FYI, Brian Anderson is ready, and IF there is a spot open, it will be his. We wont bring in another player to fill in an OF spot, especially someone like Jaque Jones. Again, as the title of this thread suggests, it's regarding a situation where Dye goes to 1b. Thus, we would then have RF open. I don't think Anderson is ready to be a full-time starter at the MLB level on a contending team. He'd be better off getting a full year as a 4th outfielder. If we were to lose PK, and basically replaced his offense with Anderson.....our offense would be worse next season than it was for a good portion of this season. And don't tell me you don't want Jones cause he K's too much. Anderson would strike out a ton if he played 130 games also in the majors.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 05:33 PM) So you really think Jones is a possible scenario? Knowing all that you do about our system, our players chemistry, and KW? Absolutely. He's the type of fighter than KW and Ozzie would love. If we can bring in AJP, we can bring in anyone. I know we all want the Sox to get someone like Giles for the outfield, but that's just not very realistic. If you get someone like Jones to play the outfield, you could then have Brian Anderson be his back-up for a season, and get playing time against tough lefty pitchers.

The biggest upgrade this team had this season was from last year's catching core to this year's catching core.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) no, no, no no. Jones?? Come on. He is no replacement for Paulie and has no fit on this team. Paulie needs to be resigned. We get rid of Everett, Frank's salary, resign pauly, and we still have money to play with. Not to mention the possible surge of minor league talent, which could allow us to trade some peices as well. Going younger is much better than getting overpaid no so talented cast offs. For about the 20th time in the post, this is all speculation assuming PK goes elsewhere. We all want him to come back, but he's putting himself in prime position to get high payroll teams in a bidding war for him. Thus, that's why we're talking about scenarios about what happens if he goes to another team.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Oct 10, 2005 -> 11:57 AM) Jacque Jones is a free-swinging bum. Would you really want him? He's no better than Everett offensively. Take a look for yourself. I know that Jones is a free swinger. However, he's a REALISTIC option that could potentially fill a need for the Sox if PK were to leave. All I know is that the Sox offense needs some lefty hitters. Would Jones be a perfect fit? Not at all. However, there really aren't a lot of likely perfect options.

One of the advantages with moving Dye to 1b is that you're going to have a relatively cheap 30 homer threat at a power position. Assuming that PK signs elsewhere, that opens up a position in the outfield that might be easier to find a big time offensive bat. With pitching seemingly set for next year, KW should have some significant resources to try and upgrade the offense. A name for the outfield that hasn't been discussed much on here is J. Jones. He'd be a good fit if we do have to move Dye to 1b. If you put Jones in RF, and then find a big time DH, and you'd have a good start for the offense.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 10:05 PM) Hopefully Konerko is resigned so we don't have to even think about this topic. Yep, for 18 million a season

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 09:33 PM) It doesn't matter at this point, they can go up there with the bat on their shoulders and be on first base. Hey, you know I've always said that the best strategy against Marte would be just to not swing, and make him throw 3 pitches over the plate. I'm a little concerned that Cotts might be rusty if he has to come in for a big situation. However, I don't give a s*** how concerned I am, this is f***ing awesome right now. This debate is a lot better than discussing who should be our 1b next season, etc.

I can see a situation where the Sox would bring Marte in (to face a guy he's owned in the past like G. Anderson). I see no reason to have Viz on the roster over McCarthy. The thing about lefty pitchers is that it's not always about how they are vs lefty batters. Sometimes, it's the opposite of that which is important. Some lefty hitters lose a lot of power when they have to face other lefties due to changes in their swings, as well as turning some switch hitters over. Isn't Chone a lot better against righties?

BTW, did we ever find out if it's official that McCarthy still isn't on the roster?

It's this simple: Marte adds a lot more potential value to this team than Viz in a 7 game series. Viz is only useful against a team with righties who struggle vs the slider. However, with Duque in the pen, that basically eliminates any of Viz's value. Even though Marte has been such an enigma, he still has a better chance than Viz and getting a big out against someone like G. Anderson or R. Cano. Ozzie just has to use Marte wisely. If the home plate ump has a small zone, Marte likely has no chance of getting 3 strikes over the plate.

All I know is that this is now 2 straight games where our 2nd receiver has helped the other team more than they've helped the Bears.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Oct 9, 2005 -> 08:02 PM) Thomas Jones has been basically the only bright spot on the offense this entire season so far. And like we've been saying since the draft, thankfully we drafted Benson instead of a WR that could help this team.

No one is saying they don't want PK back. However, he's put himself in a position where he will be the most coveted FA on the market. We all want him on the White Sox next year, but that might not be feasible. Personally, I'm just thrilled that at least the reason his salary will likely be so high is because he's had two very good seasons, and is finishing off extremely strong. It's a lot better than the way the Marlins are going to lose Burnett, even though he sucked down the stretch.

I've been a little concerned lately that there doesn't seem to be a lot to suggest that PK is coming back to the Sox next year. If he does leave, I would still rather keep Dye in RF, and try to upgrade at DH and 1B. Oh well, we have plenty of time to worry about these issues.