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QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 11:07 PM) This game was the epitome of the 2007 White Sox. Score some runs early don't score for the last 7 innings against relievers. Sure Danks could have been better, he's really struggled lately, but he did leave with the lead. Have the bullpen blow it, and lose again. In all fairness, he left with the lead in after the 4th inning. That doesn't really count.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 11:04 PM) Well, Ozzie pretty much just put everything on the players in that press conference -- something he has never done in his time here. I don't know what to think... The end of his press conference was very interesting. He backed himself, KW and JR while throwing his players under the bus. The losing is starting to get to Ozzie. I'm watching him on Comcast right now, he looks like s***. I really think Ozzie might just end up quiting.

"This is a joke." He immediately goes after Iguchi for not getting the bunt down. Going after Danks now for his inability to throw strikes. "the only reason this kid made the ballclub is because of his ability to throw strikes." Going after the hitters for falling asleep for the final 7 innings of the game. "It's a joke!" "I'm tired of watching this day in and day out" "we have 35,000 fans in the stands that believe but the players don't believe in theirself (his words)." "The talent is there, we're just wasting our talent." "I'm tired of being positive" "I've tired of being the root root guy, lets go lets go" *catches himself* "I don't want to say that I'll be beeped" "This is the same team we had in 2005, blame the players" You really have to hear it for yourself. Protecting himself, JR and KW, putting the blame squarely on the players, interesting.

QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 10:52 PM) has anybody heard what ozzie said? They're going to play it on 670 immediately following this current commercial break.

Dear god is 670's postgame show f***ing worthless.

QUOTE(southsida86 @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 10:42 PM) Even though I think Jose's trade value is nada, do you think that a Contreras and Dye for Betemit, Billingsley and Kershaw trade is reasonable from both teams standpoints? Earlier we were talking about Betemit and Billingsley for Dye alone, we would essentially be trading Contreras for Kershaw straight up. Do you think the Dodgers would consider that, or do I need to lay off the bong?(figuratively speaking) Incredibly one sided trade. Contreras' trade value is pretty much nil at this point let alone getting one of the best pitching prospects in baseball in exchange for his 50 year old broken down ass.

So this throws a bit of a wrench into the resurgence now doesn't it? 66-29 here on out and this team will be playing in October!

QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 10:00 PM) You gotta admit that the Thornton/Marte thing is a fair guess though. It was a well educated guess, I'll give you that.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 09:58 PM) Number of 3 run innings tonight: 13 Number of innings with at least 3 runs: 17 Am I the only one fascinated by this? Your updates have piqued my interest.

QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 09:57 PM) Damn. I think that I just figured out your avatar. Matt Thornton's Damaso Marte. If only Matt Thornton and Damaso Marte had even half the good looks of Chad Billingsely and Wilson Betemit.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 09:53 PM) Exactly....besides for the closer, it's the worst bullpen I've seen in the majors in a long time. I do love letting a lefty start against the 2-3-4 that destroys lefty pitching. Right now out of 7 slots the Sox have 2 filled, the closer and LOOGY roles are pretty reliable. I don't see how a team can be expected to go 66-29 to finish out the season when 5/7 of the pen is filled with dog s***. This resurgence bulls*** is just f***ing retarded. QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 09:54 PM) I don't question this move, if only because just about every manager doesn't use their closer in a tie game in the ninth. But seriously, why is this common practice? If it goes to extras anyway, you're using another pitcher besides the closer if it goes that far. The goal is to not let it (obviously). Actually it's pretty common practice to use your closer in the top of the 9th in a tie game at home.

66-29

Anyone who thinks the Sox can make a run this year with this bullpen is f***ing delusional.

So now we start worrying about Danks?

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 06:41 PM) How on Earth do you platoon two lefties? Especially 2 as similarly inept as Groiny and Grindy.

The Rangers extended the contract of GM Jon Daniels today for an additional year, locking him up through 2009 despite the fact the pretty much every move he's made since taking over the position has been a failure.

Hell, I'd deal them Buehrle, Dye and Contreras for a king's ransom if they were down for it. Can you say Wilson Alvarez, Danny Darwin, and Roberto Hernandez?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 05:20 PM) What have you seen from this squad to warrant that sort of optimism? They scored 10 runs last night! The fuse has now been lit for the 12th time this season! Of course those 10 runs were at the aid of an injured starting pitcher, some of the absolute worst defense you are ever going to see and a 29 year old Korean who's major league career might just be coming to an end.

Wayne Krivsky is said to be looking for a whole lot more than a young major league starter and a lefty reliever, you'd have to include a big time infield prospect on top of that atleast. Though I don't even see how the Sox could match the talent of Hensely and Hampson. Hensley who was one of the better young starters in baseball last season putting up a 114 ERA+ (park adjusted) though he has had some injury problems this year. And Hampson has been unbelievable this year, he's a 27 year old lefty who's sporting a sub 1 ERA and a 493 ERA+ in 22.3 IP out of the pen this year. I can't really think of the White Sox equivalent to that sort of talent.

Nick Masset is on right now with Boers, Bernstein and Steve Stone. If anyone is interested. Stone has long been a huge fan of his. Masset says it has been pretty tough adjusting to the role of a reliever and that he believes he's better suited as a starter. Stoney hinting at a trade coming soon saying the saying Kenny is shopping a few starters and could very well deal one sometime soon.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 02:07 PM) A guy seemingly getting no attention at all this year is Carlos Pena. He's having an absolutely fantastic year, perhaps one that may turn him into one of the next great sluggers in the league. .314/.404/.669/1.073 with 16 homers and 29 XBHs. Kind of funny, because the last organization he was with - the Red Sox - were the ones to turn Papi into what he is today. I wonder if it's at all possible that they hold the secret to turning slow, powerful, left-handed bats into sluggers. Remember when the Sox signed Erstad and you brought up Pena's name in the "Erstad Signs" thread as a possible backup 1B for the Sox? You're like some sort of baseball genius.

Do you think the Cardinals would be willing to move Pujols in a deal for Buehrle if the Sox included a replacement for Albert in the deal like say Rogowski?

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 12:35 PM) We're lucky to have taken that $10 million off our payroll and gotten a solid prospect like Gio. Everybody who was paying attention knew that Freddy had arm issues last year and may have been damaged goods. One needs to also consider that our $106 million payroll probably kept us from acquiring somebody like Soriano. And it's not like JD, Paulie, and Thome sucked last season. The payroll is actually much closer to $96M than $106M. Just saying.

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 19, 2007 -> 12:19 PM) I agree with that. Zito is getting $18 per, but he's got a Cy Young in his cabinet and his H/9 have generally been lower. Buehrle's control is better, though. 2004 to Date. 113 GS | 10 CG | 49-34 W-L | 772 IP | 5.5 K/9, 1.8 BB/9 | 1.17 HR/9 | 3.00 K/BB | 3.89 ERA | 1.27 WHIP 117 GS | 00 CG | 47-41 W-L | 746 IP | 6.5 K/9, 3.7 BB/9 | 1.07 HR/9 | 1.73 K/BB | 4.09 ERA | 1.34 WHIP Who's who?

It depends on what they're planning on spending in payroll next season. If it's somewhere in the mid 80's then Buehrle probably needs to be dealt before the break. If it's somewhere in the mid 90's then $15M a year is probably doable. An $85M payroll with Buehrle taking up $15-$18M of that just isn't going to work, I don't think you can field a competetive team under those circumstances.