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QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 11:09 PM) Doesn't Iguchi have some clause lke Hideki Matsui's last year where he must be signed by the Sox before November 15th, and that he won't provide and supplemental picks (i.e. not Arbitration eligable.) Yes, I believe he does which is why he should be dealt before the deadline so they can atleast get something for him. I can't convince you it isn't a fluke because it just might be. The Sox would be taking a chance on a 25 year old infielder who managed to put up league average numbers in his age 23 and 24 seasons. A guy who is developing a pretty damn good power stroke and maybe, just maybe is starting to learn a little discipline. His trade value is pretty low right now since he has a few guys blocking him at the moment and a couple highly touted prospects ready take over at the positions he plays over the next few seasons. QUOTE(3E8 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 11:14 PM) Contreras has a NTC I think he can be convinced to waive it, especially if the Sox are planning on moving him in the offseason anyway. The NTC only applies to the 2007 season if I'm not mistaken.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 11:07 PM) Take it a step further, I would love to see that money used to re-sign Mark. If that were to happen, I think the Sox could somehow come out looking good in the whole "firesale" situation... If they were truly up for it the Sox could sell off Mackowiak, Cintron, Erstad, Podsednik, Contreras, Iguchi and Dye at the break without leading the fans to believe they're going into rebuilding mode simply by re-signing Buehrle. And if they really wanted they could save up all that money saved by only paying these players for 3-4 months of work and put it towards the 2008 payroll, talk about sending the fans the right message.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 10:54 PM) Betemit is definitely 25 right now. His age is incorrectly reported on several sites. Baseballcube has the accurate one. The Braves illegally signed him to play professional ball at the age of 14. Yep, this was actually resolved a few years ago when Betemit decided to sue the Braves and attempt to become a free agent. His true age was revealed to be the lower of the two. QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 11:02 PM) Looks like Loney might be able to go on Tuesday. Either way, the Dodgers could use some punch in that lineup, and Dye fits the bill. The other intriguing situation with the Dodgers is the pitching. Looks like Schmidt just can't stay healthy, and could head back to the DL. They do have depth with Tomko and Hendrickson to fill in, along with Billingsley, but you have to figure with the Dodgers trying to make a serious playoff push, that getting a 1-2 type pitcher would be of interest. Could a mega-deal of Buehrle AND Dye happen? Contreras and Dye for Billingsley, Betemit and something else of high value would be so f***ing amazing. It would free up $10M for next year from the loss of Contreras which is HUGE as well as fill a couple needs for '08 and beyond.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 10:53 PM) Gotcha. You don't need to check Garland's if it's a lot of work. I was just curious. It takes about 3 minutes to look it up, not a big deal at all. Garland only has 1 by the way. That came on June 4th Vs the Yankees when Garland allowed a double to Matsui in the 9th and the clusterf*** of s***ty relievers allowed him and 3 others to score. Based on the fact that Buehrle has 2 and Garland 1, I'd say that theory is dead. I'd also say they're probably under the league average for % of ER coming from inherited runners scored. QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 10:53 PM) Gotcha. You don't need to check Garland's if it's a lot of work. I was just curious. It takes about 3 minutes to look it up, not a big deal at all. Garland only has 1 by the way. That came on June 4th Vs the Yankees when Garland allowed a double to Matsui in the 9th and the clusterf*** of s***ty relievers allowed him and 3 others to score. Based on the fact that Buehrle has 2 and Garland 1, I'd say that theory is dead. I'd also say they're probably under the league average for % of ER coming from inherited runners scored.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 10:40 PM) That's actually an interesting point. Any of you stat guys know how many of Buehrle and Garland's inherited runners have scored? It took some work but in 13 starts this season only 2 of the 33 ER Buehrle has allowed this season have come via inherited runners scored. Both scored on May 18th against the Cubs, Mike MacDougal was the culprit. I'll check Garland but atleast in Buehrle's case inherited runners scored doesn't seem to be a big problem.

But in reality there are around 12-15 AL starters having equal or better seasons than Buehrle and Garland.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 10:23 PM) Buehrle's all-star worthy too, W-L record aside Then Garland also needs to be considered.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 09:42 PM) I would expect at least one player who has had some success at the ML level if I'm going to deal Buehrle. I kind of doubt that Minaya would do this, but I'd try to package Mark and Fields for Wright and a high-tier prospect. Reyes is an attractive option as well, but I don't think that he'd be under our control for as long. Minaya would be run out of New York if he dealt either. Talk about absolutely brutal trades. You're not getting major league talent for Buehrle, especially All-Stars.

QUOTE(dasox24 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 09:35 PM) I must admit that I think yall have convinced me about Betemit since this trade idea was first brought up. I'm still not crazy about the fact that he may be 27 years old, though. Anyway, can he play SS well? I ask this b/c since we just picked up Richar (who sounds like a 2B, not a SS anymore), we don't have a void at 2B. If we were to acquire two Second Basemen, then what would have been the point of trading a young prospect like Cunningham? If Betemit could play SS pretty well, then I'd be intrigued by a MI of Betemit and Richar next year. Betemit has played some short and from what I've read, he can hold his own at the position. At this point Richar just doesn't strike me as a starter caliber player especially for next season, more of an Ozuna type.

Oh good things are a'happenin' Jermaine Dye over the past 5 games is putting up a .389/.450/.778/1.228 line w/ 3 R, 3 RBI, 4 2B and a HR. That's right, he's heating up. James Loney crashes into a concrete wall today and messes up his knee as well as his head, he could be out for a while. Just one less potential power threat for LA. The Dodger's lack of a competent power threat is reaching critical status. A .378 team slugging percentage just isn't going to cut it. Wilson Betemit is expendable with 4-5 guys around to play 2B, SS and 3B next season. His .211 BA will probably scare the lot of ya but that's because you're not looking at his .350 OBP and .800 OPS, shame on you. He'd look damn sexy at 2B for the next 3-4 seasons. I'm sorry but the Sox and Dodgers hooking up and swapping Dye and ??? for Betemit and Billingsley is just making far too much sense at this point.

When Andy Gonzalez is your leadoff hitter it's probably time to start unloading.

Touche. What if I said Konerko's offensive production is more consistent than Dunn's? Based on sheer numbers alone Konerko probably is overpaid but when taking everything into account, especially from a marketing standpoint I have no problem with him making $12M a year. If the Sox didn't have Konerko at 1B I wouldn't be nearly as opposed to the thought of Adam Dunn but I just don't like the idea of two $12M, .900 OPS power hitters on the roster especially with the financial situation this team currently finds itself in.

If he jumps ship now or within the next 2 years I believe, he'll have to give most all of the money he's earned back to the Cubs.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 10:37 AM) I've been at the games the last 2 days in Cincinnati, and have seen Dunn a ton since he came up. I am completely in on dealing for him, he's basically Jim Thome without the batting average at the plate and we need outfield help. Jim Thome with a .900 OPS is not Jim Thome. I'm weary of any power hitter who's OPS fluctuates as much as Dunn's, the consistent 40 HR power is going to get Adam $12M+ a year but his career sub 900 OPS makes him more of an $9M player.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 11:12 AM) The funny thing is that they see Sox scouts at the game and they immediately think we are going after Dunn. My thoughts is that Freel or Griffey make more sense for what Kenny is looking for over Dunn. Ozzie would orgasm if we picked up Free. I still think they were scouting Figgins.

QUOTE(Chet Lemon @ Jun 17, 2007 -> 10:49 AM) I never knew this about Iguchi and my respect for him will drop if it is true. Why? He's going to get his last multi-year contract this offseason I don't see why he shouldn't be able to go to a city he really wants to play in.

Adam Dunn is a right fielder in the same sense that Paul Konerko is a right fielder. Yeah he has a little bit of speed but he's insanely brutal no matter where you put him in the field, he's a DH and he's going to be making $12M+ over the next 4-5 years something the Sox really can't afford since it wouldn't fill a need.

So when does Egbert get dealt?

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 10:17 PM) Call up Oneli Perez...anyone... Aardsma couldn't get AAA hitters out. What makes ANYONE think a dude with a +6 AAA era is going to do anything but pizz himself back in the show? What does it even matter at this point? Might as well let the guy workout his problems against major league hitters rather than buy another worthless contract from Charlotte. Aardsma has proven that he can get big league hitters out even if it is only when everything is going right for him, why not let him try to get it back on track at the big league level?

Fuse . . . meet Lighter!!!

Anderson is done, you'll never see him in silver and black again. Terrero needs to be out there everyday in CF even when Erstad makes his way back to the lineup.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 05:33 PM) Looks white to me. Especially in comparison to the Dodgers mix in your avatar. Looks about right on my laptop the Dodgers guys look a little dark.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) Yeah, you're missing some pinstripes on that jersey. Too much work, I chose to make the jersey a road gray instead.

The bigger question is what the hell do the Diamondbacks need with another outfielder? They have what like 15 future major league outfielders currently in the organization?

QUOTE(Brian @ Jun 16, 2007 -> 02:25 PM) Do they have a good SS prospect? Does anyone? The funny thing is, the Devil Rays actually have a couple of them. I just hate that Organization.