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There aren't many people in baseball that are less likable than this douche.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 07:25 AM) Seriously, we won a World Series with Willie Harris, Timo Perez, and Jurassic. None of it makes any sense. Timo Perez had 64 AB in the leadoff spot where he posted a .518 OPS + 0 SB. During another point in the season Timo picked up 2 GP at 1B and 9 AB in the 3 hole. Such things should never happen. If anyone ever wonders at all why Timo was such a whipping boy of the fans, just go ahead and take a gander at these little tidbits. Championship teams don't put a player as horrible as Timo Perez in situations like that which makes 2005 all the more confusing.

QUOTE(shawnhillegas @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 06:57 AM) thats why he said "probably." come on, random speculation is all that this board has once the season is over. Um bulls***, the "probably" was used to describe Crede's reaction to the Sox "desire to get rid of him in order to get Fields in the lineup." There is absolutely NO proof that the Sox even want to trade Crede let alone being eager to get him out of town like he/she has posted 10 times. Speculation is one thing, posting a falsehood as fact is another. QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2006 -> 07:46 AM) Magglio said the same type of stuff... Thank you. The Sox are moving Fields to another position to try to get his bat onto this team. Tell me exactly how they are trying to push Crede out of town, but teaching a guy still trying to learn 3B yet another position? Exactly.

When you look back at last year's team with a seriously critical eye it's funny to see just how much they overachieved. I honestly have no idea how that team was able to play about 8 wins over their Pythagorean record like they did. I suppose it has to do with how weak the division and league in general was last season. I can't imagine just how far out of the playoffs the '05 Sox roster would finish in '06 likely somewhere around 10 GB or possibly worse. What a charmed bunch of bastards those guys were.

QUOTE(cuddlyboy26 @ Oct 3, 2006 -> 11:53 PM) That was probably before Crede saw the White Sox only wanted to sign him to another 1-year deal as they were anxious for Fields to take over however. That changes your perspective on things. Please stop posting this it's just not true at all.

QUOTE(max power @ Oct 3, 2006 -> 11:22 PM) No, it isn't serious but I think he missed like 10-15 games last year with the back problems too. I guess 15 games is normal wear and tear but I don't consider those full seasons. Then you're standards are insanely high, Miguel Tejada is basically the only player that goes for a full season by those standards.

QUOTE(max power @ Oct 3, 2006 -> 10:30 PM) Dye has played like 5 full seasons in his 12 year career. He has back problems too. 7 full seasons out of 10 (excluding rookie year since he was called up later). And most of his injuries have been freak accidents such as fouling a ball off his shin or getting bit by spiders in his sleep this is the first time in his career that he's had any real back problems and even now it's only the occasional tightness not a slipped disc like Crede.

QUOTE(cuddlyboy26 @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 06:08 PM) Well people are talking about a long term deal for Crede. I was just thinking it would be unreasonable to think Fields would be kept on the bench for 4 years or something. If Crede were signed to a long term deal, Fields would either be imediately traded or moved to another position. QUOTE(cuddlyboy26 @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 06:10 PM) Well people are talking about a long term deal for Crede. I was just thinking it would be unreasonable to think Fields would be kept on the bench for 4 years or something. My point is do you think the White Sox would take that offer if Crede and his agent gave it? It is enough money for Crede to be ensured to be the starting 3rd baseman I would think, and a big raise over his current pay, almost double, and job insurance for 4 years. The Sox wouldn't even hesitate, they'd take that deal in a second but Crede and Boras would never even think about signing such a deal. Hell Crede would likely make around $6.25M in arbitration this year alone.

QUOTE(cuddlyboy26 @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 05:56 PM) Is a 4-year deal for $5-million a year a good one for Crede? Double that money and you're a whole lot closer to a realistic number.

QUOTE(G&T @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 02:40 PM) I don't buy this because, if anything, Boras should want him to have surgery now, then go to free agency later after a season of proving himself. Mags had major surgery and got a big contract. Surgery is meaningless to most teams now. Maggs absolutely needed that surgery, he wouldn't be walking if he didn't have it. Crede does not NEED to have this surgery, he could just as easily rehab his back this offseason and come back strong next year. The surgery would make the club feel a lot better about Joe's future but it's not a necessity for him so why would Boras want his client to have unnecessary surgery? Also with Maggs, the Tigers were basically the only team to offer Magglio big money in free agency, they came out right away with guns blazing when it looked like Magglio was not going to recieve a huge contract they went out of their way to get him in Detroit. Surgery does mean something to teams, it means a whole hell of a lot but Boras does have a way of convincing team's everything is alright and that they should throw large amounts of money his clients way but at the same time any surgery Crede does have is only going to make it a little more difficult to trick some team when looking to get Crede his monster deal.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 02:26 PM) There is something that doesnt really make sense in all of it. After reading the reports, everything I can see says if Joe was to have surgery tomorrow, he could get things going again no problem by Spring, so it's not like having this surgery is going to cut into playing time. The White Sox organization seems to want Joe to have this surgery. Yet his agent,Boras, is against Joe going under the knife. I then ask why? Why would Boras NOT want Crede to have surgery. Is he going to get worse after the surgery? If he was, why would the Sox want him to do it? If the White Sox organization thinks in any way Crede is going to be worse off AFTER the surgery, that would be the worst case scenario. Now you dont want to re-sign him, plus you cant get anything of value for him. So again, why is Boras against Joe getting the surgery done? When you look at that 28 year old thirdbaseman's resume as you contemplate how much money he's worth to you and you see that he's had back surgery, no matter how minor it's still going to stick out that he's had to go under the knife due to his back.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 01:48 PM) I thought Anaheim offered him up for Crawford, but TB wanted more. This is true, I believe Tampa wanted Santana and Wood but Anaheim was having no part of it.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 01:05 PM) Jon and Count also dont have Boras as an agent.... 2006 was his 4th full year. He is 28 years old. I have a hard time saying Joe had a "career year." More like coming into his own. And Jose only got a contract extension done when he took matters into his own hands and basically worked it out without his agent's assistance.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 2, 2006 -> 10:35 AM) After listing to it, I have very little faith a deal will get worked out with Joe.... That Boras comment was incredibly telling. "Is too much made of the Scott Boras situation (Crede's agent)" - Dickerson "No" - KW Then to paraphrase, the Sox and Boras have never seen eye to eye on the value of players but to Boras' credit he always seems to find someone out there stupid enough to pay what he's looking for luckily we're not that stupid. It's going to come down to a [dogfight] (can't remember the actual phrase) regarding Crede's contract between us and his agent and in the end I'm not sure there's going to be a winner. His comment that "Crede's agent sent him to a doctor who advised him not to have the back surgery" was incredibly telling. It's likely that Boras did not want him to have any sort of surgery as not to place a "damaged goods" label on Joe in order to maximize his value in the long run. You can just tell in KW's voice that the Sox wanted Joe to have that surgery but Boras is getting in the way here and advising his client otherwise. It's really looking like KW is going to look at offers this offseason for Joe.

QUOTE(SnB @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 10:43 PM) i wanted leftwich. I wanted Polomalu and Grossman

QUOTE(beck72 @ Oct 1, 2006 -> 05:31 PM) Coco Crisp in CF. I'm not sure who'd be the righty platoon guy, though. Preferably someone who can play more than just LF. If you're going to have both Covelli Crisp and Ryan Sweeney in the OF next year I'd much prefer Sweeney in CF and Crisp in LF strickly because of arm strength. I really don't want to see Crisp making throws from the right center field gap to 3B/cutoffman he's just not capable of doing such a thing.

This Jets/Colts game has been quite good up to halftime. I hate FOX, I just hate everything about it. They seem to love colorful, s***ty, elaborate graphics and a s***load of unnecessary sound. CBS on the other hand has a much better HD picture (FOX' is way too colorful) along with crisp, simple, blue graphics. In other words CBS >>>> FOX.

You also have to remember Gonzalez' serious health concerns he missed 120 games in 2002 followed that up with 2 pretty healthy seasons but then missed about 30 games in '05 and missed 50 games this year.

QUOTE(whitesox61382 @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 10:41 PM) Are you suggesting that Boston won't trade Crisp? There were practically trying to give him away at the trade deadline. There was a rumored deal of Crisp for Garcia(before his good month) and the Sox turned it down. Actually it was Buehrle for Crisp

QUOTE(gosox41 @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 04:50 PM) The Sox have 4 great hitters in the middle of the line up and I think one should go, if not for the sole reason of freeing up some salary to add some depth to somewhere else in the line up. Crede = ~$6M Dye = $6M Thome = ~$7M Konerko = $12M Contreras = $9M Vazquez = $9.5M Buehrle = $9.5M Garcia = $10M Garland = $10M IMO there's much more productive and realistic ways of freeing up money than trading a slugger.

No, not really.

QUOTE(whitesox1976 @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 04:15 PM) My thoughts exactly. Trade Vazquez we were crazy to trade for him in the first place. Except for the fact that trading Vazquez is completely unrealistic when you really think about it of course you're not so what does it matter.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 02:34 PM) Relax, wise guy. Had a bad day? We're talking career avgs here. The guy didn't hit for the 1st two months. And still upped his avg. to near .300 like professional hitters always seem to manage. His OBP is off this yr. A difference of .38 between his BAvg. and OBP. Pierre's career avg of .303 and OBP of .350 would look more than fine on the southside. BTW-I'd love to hear your idea for a leadoff hitter. Wouldn't it be more realistic to look at what he's done recently as opposed to what he's done over the course of his career? If you're going to go by career stats only then we should definitely get Jim Edmonds in here next year to take over CF duties. Over the past 2 seasons Juan Pierre has walked a total of 73 times which is pretty horrible for any baseball player but especially a leadoff hitter, he's also put up a line of .283/.328/.371 and a SB% of 76% that's a pretty horrendous line and the SB% is only average. He's also played his entire career in the National Leauge, so who knows how much his statline will dip once he faces the superior pitching that the American League has to offer. When evaluating a player it makes much more sense to see what he's done over the past 2 seasons than to see what kind of numbers he's stockpiled over a career, it's all about "What have you done for me lately" not "what did you do 3-4 years ago and have not managed to duplicate since."

With Freddy Garcia, before you give a definative answer as to whether you want him traded or not just ask yourself on simple question. Would you be willing to give Freddy Garcia a 3 year ~$33M deal with a 4th year option/buyout RIGHT NOW. If yes then you obviously do not want him traded If no then you should want him traded.

QUOTE(That funky motion @ Sep 30, 2006 -> 12:43 PM) I knew you would bring up Aug and Ignore Sept. The last time I checked we were in it at the start of Sept. The only one who did better in Aug was JG! MB 2-2 Count 1-3 Javy 2-2. We are talking about wins here, right? To me thats all that counts. Why would I look at a team stat when evaluating the effectiveness of a pitcher?