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QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 03:52 PM) Where's the vomit smiley??? Eric Byrnes' words, not mine.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Oct 9, 2006 -> 01:22 PM) I'm not going to go through 17 pages, but isn't the idea of the offseason to get Iguchi out of the number 2 slot? At least one of the ideas. Also, didn't Ozzie want more speed at the top? Roberts is good, but he's not adding more speed, he's replacing it. And yes, A-Rod can steal some bases, but that's not really why he's on anyone's team. Personally, I'd rather have Jeter if we are going to trade with the Yankees. He will do whatever it takes to win, yes, you lose a lot defensively from Uribe, but you pick up about 70 points in batting average and about the same in baseball IQ. Discuss. Yes, the Yankees will likely be looking to deal Derek Jeter, the Michael Jordan of baseball.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 08:01 PM) Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton, and a prospect? Should the Sox just include the entire Birmingham Barons roster too? I don't buy that at all. As far as I can tell, ARod is completely hated by New York in general, be it fans or the organization. Considering how much he makes(because even with money included, it is a ton), his value isn't high enough that he would net 2 all-stars(Crede's not an all-star, but he was about #33 on the 32 man), a very solid reliever, a very good looking and cheap young starting pitcher, as well as another prospect. I obviously don't have inside sources into the Yankees FO, but if they are asking that much for 1 player who has a bad reputation for not being clutch, they aren't going to get rid of him. They may not want to get rid of him, so if not, they have all the right in the world to ask for that. George and company will get laughed at, but they can do so if they wish. If you translate Buehrle, Crede, McCarthy, Thornton and a prospect into an Angels package you basically get Lackey, Figgins, Santana, Shields and a prospect for A-Rod. It just doesn't seem very plausible now does it?

Mike Lowell locked up the gold glove sometime around June.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 03:20 PM) And eventually lose, so you have nothing to worry about. Ya, I'll stop talking trash because it's not too hard to make fun of my team.... Who the hell starts at QB for the Dolphins next week? Culpepper is just a collosal failure.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 03:13 PM) We're only paying Thome abotu $6-$7 million a year. We got a truckload of cash from the Phillies. And we're paying Vazquez $9.5M next year.

QUOTE(WilliamTell @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 03:05 PM) Indianapolis 14 Tennessee 13 This would've been close to the score 4 years ago but it's this way today too. Isn't this a bit worrisome if you're a Colts fan?

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 02:55 PM) it wasnt even really his fault, the handoff was bad and it looks like one of our own guys hit him im not sure i need to see it again. No one touched him, the ball basically just bounced off his chest, it looked like he wasn't ready for the handoff. I thought at the time of the draft that he was a wasted pick and he's done nothing to change my mind since. There's a lot of players in that draft that would fit this team a whole lot better than that loser. And just to clearify my dislike of Benson has nothing to do with a meaningless fumble at the end of a blowout.

Cedric Benson should just be cut right now.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 02:20 PM) I did too. And then he threw 14 INTs. I also dislike Terrence McGee. If he gets beat again...wtf do I care, he's been beaten like 4 times today and it's cost the Bills like 21 points. All I can do is hope they get on the board. Not much more. Get on the board? You should be shooting for 150 total yards, I think that's a much more realistic goal.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 02:12 PM) I hate you I love JP Losman.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Oct 8, 2006 -> 01:32 PM) I am not a Bills fan The Bears are doing a bit of giggy shoving right now. This is some incredibly enjoyable football.

Bruce Gradkowski > You

If the players in the Sox' dugout are going to be intimidated or would play worse because a teammate makes more money than them then I don't know why the hell I bother cheering for these pansies. Same goes for the Rowand bulls***, if the absense of one below average player causes the team to play like s*** in the second half of the season then there's something seriously wrong with the guys in that clubhouse.

I just read through this thread and there is one thing I don't get, how is ARod's $25M salary cancerous but Jeter's $19M (soon to be $20M) not? So just to get this straight $25M = Cancer but $20M = Jordan of baseball.

Scott Podsednik has the lowest SB% of any player in baseball with 21 or more SB at 67.8%. Players with 21+ SB, lowest AB/SO: Mike Cameron - 3.89 Alfonso Soriano - 4.04 Grady Sizemore - 4.28 Ryan Freel - 4.63* Felipe Lopez - 4.89 Hanley Ramirez - 4.95* Joey Gathright - 5.11* Scott Podsednik - 5.46* * - True leadoff hitter QUOTE(bulokis @ Oct 7, 2006 -> 11:12 AM) I hope we can snag Pierre and put him in left field. We need what Podsednik did in '05 where he stole bases successfuly, bunted and disrupted the pitcher's rhythm. Pierre can give us that. He also does a few other things Podsednik did well such as low OBP, non-existant SLG, no power to speak of, inconsistent SB%, bad reads in the OF and a top 3 worst arm in all of baseball not to mention his overall inconsistency from month to month.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 6, 2006 -> 07:56 PM) We need to start at least two lefties. Please Kenny make it happen. Well, there is a nice abundance of quality left handed starters out there so yeah it shouldn't be a problem finding 2 or 3 lefties to round out the '07 rotation.

Just to be ironic I'm going to close this thread. Plus I enjoy hitting the icon which closes the thread so that's a plus.

QUOTE(Felix @ Oct 5, 2006 -> 11:29 PM) Hardly his fault. witesoxfan's signature sums it up: http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showuser=48 INHFTOCS

QUOTE(greg775 @ Oct 5, 2006 -> 09:56 PM) Maybe if Brian Anderson hit over .200 the first two months of the season his manager wouldn't have gotten sick of the thought of putting this automatic out in the lineup. I cannot for the life of me understand the love of this guy. I can understand people writing, "I still have faith in Brian if we have patience. He might learn how to hit in the bigs." I cannot understand people that wanted this guy to have 500 at bats. BA was AWFUL at the plate this year. He was great defensively. Podsednik was awful both offensively and defensively can you give me one good reason why he got 500 ABs?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2006 -> 07:05 PM) By the way...hasn't anyone noted that there are people who wanted to be done with Brian Anderson at many points this year...yet now the vaunted Marlins scouting department, the same folks who were somehow able to put together a nearly .500 team on $16 million after taking the Cubs, Mets, and Red Sox for everything they could get...now want that same Brian Anderson? It's almost as though they see something they like from the kid... It's also funny how Anderson is getting lumped in with Baldelli and Kemp, that's some damn good talent to be in the same sentence with.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Oct 5, 2006 -> 07:03 PM) Garcia. He's the only one not locked up besides MB who the sox will try to lock up this offseason. If the sox are far apart on a MB deal, they should go into 2007 with him anyway. If the sox are then out of it by the deadline then maybe deal him. KW will look at Zito and the A's success and hold onto MB You see the A's will be getting compensation for Zito this offseason in the form of draft picks (not nearly enough). However there is a new proposal up for consideration by the owners, the elimination of draft pick compensation if they Sox did hang onto Buehrle thinking they'd get some draft pick compensation for him in free agency (not nearly fair compensation) and they pass this resolution, the Sox will be s*** out of luck and they'll walk away with nothing to show for him. Zito is the only one of the big 3 to go to free agency, Beane dealt the other 2, you have to remember there are extenuating circumstances surrounding the A's decision to keep Zito, it's not fair to compare it to Buehrle's situation. If the Sox can't come to an agreement with Buehrle this offseason then he needs to be dealt, Buehrle is worth far too much on the trade market to be lost with no compensation, that's just bad business practice. If the Sox want to be at all successful in 2008 and beyond, they will follow this plan.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Oct 5, 2006 -> 04:23 PM) Ugh, I told myself I was done debating all the BA garbage but Ozzie did nothing to protect BA in the first half. If by protecting him you mean throwing him out there against a lot of left handers when he hits better against righties, then sure, he protected him. You really shouldn't even bother debating it with people anymore. There will always be the few on here who will bring no real reasoning, logic or stats to their comments and make statements like that. It's not very hard to just make a comment like that, it's incredibly difficult to back up however so you'll likely only see a few posts like that in every thread with no rebuttal to criticizm because they're not interested in backing up their asinine comments.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Oct 5, 2006 -> 01:26 PM) because Chavez and ARod clogged up the votes. Not to mention there was like 8 white sox allstars already anyways haha. he did deserve it though as well as Iguchi did. I expect Crede to get a decent 2 year deal by KW with a club or player option for 2009. That way he won't have to go through arbitration 2 years in a row. Kind of similar to the Buerhle deal a few years back. As far as Fields goes, there just isn't room for him right now. I expect him to be traded this offseason, (maybe in that Crawford deal ) Eric Chavez didn't make the All-Star game in '06. Alex Rodriguez and Troy Glaus were the AL reps.

McCarthy, Garland and Vazquez will be in the starting rotation for sure next year IMO. If Buehrle is not locked up before the start of the season then he must and likely will be traded. Garcia must and likely will be traded this offseason, unless of course you're willing to give him a long term contract extension right now, which no sane person would do. Contreras is the wild card, he's about 52 years old but still has some great stuff, he was fantastic up until his DL stint last year but after that he was pretty horrible. If a deal comes along that KW can not pass up I don't think he'd hesitate to deal him but if I had to put money on it I'd say Contreras will be in the rotation next year.