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QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 03:51 AM) Yes correct me if im wrong but hasnt wite said some ridiculous stuff in the past as well. Ill give him enough credit that he isnt as ridiculous as Jeckle but I remember some pretty ??? posts where Wite was serious.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 02:55 AM) This is not jeckle we are talking about... this is wite. Difference being?

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 01:39 AM) There's a difference between constructive criticism and ridiculous, knee-jerk overreaction to a guy who's struggling at a particular time. Unfortunately, we get WAY more of the latter around here. 2.5 months of suckage sure is a long period of time for people to overreact to.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 01:07 AM) I think the specific people who might have some concern are the people who were saying Garland would never return to form, that the first part of 05 was a total fluke, and that he was never going to be worth the contract we signed him to. There were plenty of those people. Now if that's what he's talking about then yeah, I can maybe understand. Though he's not going to be matching last years numbers again this year so they're going to have to wait atleast until '07 for Garland to prove last year was not a fluke. And just for the record I'm not one of those people who called last year a fluke.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jul 19, 2006 -> 12:58 AM) Rock, you should be aware of how this board works by now. Yeah, people rightfully criticise players when they're sucking then when they finally turn it around (hopefully) they let up and start to rightfully praise them. It's not like people call for his head then when he stops sucking act like they didn't. Yeah, I ripped Garland at the beginning as did a bunch of other people, now he's pitching well and I'm glad, he deserves praise for that which his getting from me. I'm not just going to hate on the guy for when he's going good because I hated on him when he was sucking.

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 11:05 PM) LOL, f***, maybe I should have just started another media watch. The ironic thing is, you've replied to this exact post once before . . . QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:40 PM) Dwight Gooden, Vida Blue, Frank Viola, Ramon Martinez, Britt Burns, and even Larmar Hoyt who are they? Pitchers who had good to great 3-5 years to start their careers but then things didn't work out for them to have long productive careers. QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Apr 22, 2006 -> 10:32 PM) If you're saying that MB will suffer a similiar fate bacause he's similiar to those guys--you are dead wrong. MB is in his 7th MLB season first off, so I'm not sure where the "3-5" good years thing comes in. Ok, the guys you compared him to: Doc Gooden has drug problems--hard drug problems--he is not a good comparison. Frank Viola was a damn good pitcher. 9 times over 200ip, and a career ERA+ of 113. Heck, he pitched over 250IP 5 times. Not a HOFER, but certainly a good player, with a long and solid career. If MB has a Fran Viola career that would be awesome. Martinez only made it over 200IP 4 times in his 13 year career, and finished with a 105 ERA+--he is a decidely mediocre pitcher. His first 5 full seasons--yes, he did flash some potential. However, he didn't do it the level MB is doing it, not even close. His age 26 season he had an ERA+ of 99. MB's age 26 ERA+ was 143. Screw the other two guys, your argument was poor, I hope this proves it.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:43 PM) Dwight Gooden: Druggy Dude, nobody is above becoming a drug addict.

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:41 PM) Please enlighten me. Was there a rather infamous thread on this already? A few but sometimes you gotta discuss the continued rise and the continued fall of the same damn pitcher.

Dwight Gooden, Vida Blue, Frank Viola, Ramon Martinez, Britt Burns, and even Larmar Hoyt who are they? Pitchers who had good to great 3-5 years to start their careers but then things didn't work out for them to have long productive careers.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:05 PM) The game to game evaluation of players and the on the ledge-off the ledge attitude around here is funny. I'm with you, I'll wait til the end of the year to evaluate players. Except for Juanito, he just flat out sux at the plate. So you just ignore the current state of players such as Garcia and his 86 MPH fastball instead wait until the end of the year and then evaluate them? I'm glad KW doesn't do that. QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:06 PM) Well Buehrle is up to about 4 and a half now, and Garcia and Vasquez are BARELY ahead of Garland in ERA now for the year. Garland was bad for longer than the other 3 have been, but still has an ERA nearly the same as Vasquez and Garcia, and one that is about 7/10 of a run worse than Buehrle. That to me really says that although Garland was bad longer, these 3 have just been AMAZINGLY AWFUL in this latest stretch. Yes, this is all basically true but it's really not what you said in the post I quoted. I do agree with what you said here though.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:01 PM) Not by me. For some reason, some people hate the guy. I think it's his pretty boy California laid back I dont give a s*** personality, which some fans take as being a Judy. I think he's great. He beat a team that's been beating everybody except the Sox. Hope we keep it up. GO SOX. :rolly Yeah, it's all because he's a laidback California surfboy it has absolutely nothing to do with his 7.11 April ERA (1.52 WHIP) or 5.40 May ERA (1.55 WHIP).

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 09:58 PM) He was no worse during that stretch than Vasquez, Garcia, and Buehrle have been for an extended period of time now, yet got 10 times more s***. As bad as Buehlre has been of late, his ERA is still no where near 5 like Garland's and I really don't remember him sucking for 2.5 months like Garland did. Also Garcia was not as bad as Garland during that stretch but now that he hasn't picked it up he's catching more s*** than any other player on the team (outside of Widger). Also, Vazquez has been in the 3's and 4's of ERA all year, he's only recently touched 5. I really don't see how any of them have been as bad as Garland was for 2.5 months this year.

No one has b****ed about Garland in quite a while and deservedly so, it still doesn't forgive him for being useless in April, horrid in May and pathetic for half of June. Though all in all it's great to see Garland finally comming around after being pretty bad for 2.5 out of 3.5 months this season.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 09:22 PM) Technically, it's..."I don't think that taste is there." Man, that phrase will be used forever, good thing Tim McCarver is completely senile.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 09:32 PM) Dude the Rays love leftfielders who are horrible fundamentally and pitchers with bloated contracts about ready to end. Don't you know this? Think they'd have any interest in Politte? Maybe we can swing Widger over to them too he can serve as a team leader and teach the youngin's a thing or two about how to play in the bigs, I heard Scott Kazmir has fallen out of favor with management down in Tampa and is currently on the block, I really think we can put together a package for him.

Some day people will realize that the Devil Rays have absolutely no use for any of Podsednik, Garcia, Vazquez, Garland or any other high priced 26+ year old player the Sox happen to have.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 03:51 PM) Does he play LF? If so, I would love the pick up. I don't think Pods is going to be resigned, and if he can fill in, then I wouldn't mind the trade. What about leadoff? Would he be able to hit there? Hmm, I love his defensive ability and his arm, but I'll have to look into him more before I make up my mind. You really have no idea who Vernon Wells is don't you? Right now he's probably the best defensive outfielder in the American League and probably second in baseball behind Andruw Jones. He is not a leadoff hitter, he's much more of a 3 hole hitter, great contact, real good pop, great run producer with some above average speed. I've always thought the world of him because he has so many well polished tools.

I'm beginning to lose faith in humanity.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 02:15 AM) Someone needs to catch up on their American Pop Culture. Frankly I'm shocked that there's anyone out there that hasn't seen Animal House. Pretty sad.

Lawrence Holmes was on his f***ing game today, he ripped the s*** out of Sox fans and it was an absolutely beautiful thing. What did he say you ask? Just imagine me yelling into a microphone for a few hours on everything I b**** about here. Including a certain thing some "fans" have been doing in the late innings of close games this year that I've ranted on in the past.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 11:49 PM) Fact is, the bullpen isnt the weakness it was at the beginning of the season. Our starting pitching is much more suspect, and if we are planning on moving a starter to let BMAC get a shot, I would hope that our return on a solid starter would be more than Josh Fields would bring us. With that said, I would hope that would be the only move we make this season. I am not ready to replace BA, and I sure as s*** dont want our biggest move to be in the pen. Actually, let me edit that. Call me crazy, and alot of you will. I kinda would like Soriano to patrol LF for a little while. Maybe even bid on Julio Lugo. But for some reason, these other deals seem to be like dealing to deal. The great thing about dealing Fields for Linebrink is you give up a player who is not currently on your 25 man roster, you upgrade the pen BIG TIME and you upgrade the starting rotation at the same time. So while your trading for a reliever you're also adding a starting pitcher at the same time in McCarthy. So it's not really dealing just for a reliever it's also upgrading our rotation which is the biggest concern of course. I really don't want Lugo anywhere near the Sox, he's going to cost a pretty penny (think Renteria/Andy Marte) and would not fill a position of need not to mention the character issues. Now that would be dealing just to deal. You think Pods sucks ass in LF? Soriano is beyond horrendous plus he'll cost you a s***load along with not upgrading a need, I'd much rather go after Crawford, who is not a free agent next year like Soriano. I don't understand why you'd be against upgrading the bullpen and the starting rotation at the same time but you'd be for adding a LF/SS which doesn't fit a need for this season at all. QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 12:00 AM) I actually talked to WHarris about this, and I would love to see Crawford on this team. Wow, someone's going out on a f***ing limb. :rolly

QUOTE(loltrain @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 11:48 PM) Probably already posted by someone, but it has been reported that the Padres turned down Austin Kearns for Linebrink straight up. I doubt they'd deal him for a minor leaguer or two. Kearns also has some serious injury concerns, has ben incredibly inconsistent and plays the outfield as opposed to a premier position like 3B which is much harder to find an above average talent at.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 05:15 PM) Number 2 best city to live in You need to go back to being a guest. :headshake

Just gonna put this in here for future reference . . .

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 10:33 PM) Would any one rather try to move Freddy for young SP Prospects and then combine them with Fields in an attempt to get Crawford? That is all I really care to keep Fields around for. To try and get one of these young stars who may become available such as Crawford or MCab. That doesn't really fill a need for this season though and it probably makes the team weaker at the same time. You're giving up your top 2 trading chips in Fields and Garcia and adding a player who will help the offense but is not a necessity right now. You'd have to move McCarthy into the rotation, weakening your bullpen because you'd have to look in house for a replacement since your main trading chips are gone. QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 17, 2006 -> 10:36 PM) Let me add this....in a perfect world, we would hold on to Fields the rest of this season, re-sign Joe Crede, and then Fields, Broadway, and Tracey (among others) as the centerpiece in a deal to either get Carl Crawford, D. Willis, or M. Cabrera. That would be a dream come true, sans Willis. I just have a feeling Fields won't be in Charlotte Aug. 1st. There's just too many holes on this year's team that can be filled by moving Fields at the deadline.