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This has worked in the past, hasn't it?

I'm really liking a trade of Fields to San Diego for Linebrink. I know the Pads are in first and all but I wonder if they'd possibly make such a move if it got them one of the best 3B prospects in baseball. The addition of Linebrink to the pen would allow for Bmac to enter the rotation after another move involving Garcia.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 01:07 PM) He may be out of position, but he misses the simplest things. Corner outfielders have to catch flyballs too, you know, and one hit right at him that gets behind him? That's miserable. The ball is comming at you at a completely different angle in CF, especially the ones hit right at you. I would never stick Cintron in CF and expect him to be able to catch a linedrive hit right at him. You need to have had some experience at the position in order to catch a ball like that.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 01:05 PM) I thought I heard somewhere it was a concious decision. It's possible the WBC had an effect, but that would have worn off by now. I just want him traded. Yeah, we've heard that a few times in some published reports but I'm not so sure I believe it. I would greatly appreciate the insight of the Sox' TV announcers but they refuse to give any.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 01:05 PM) I can't believe Mack's defense in center. I can, you can't put an IF/Corner OF in CF and expect him to play acceptable defense. Once again it's about putting your players in the best position to be successful and Ozzie is not doing that.

Crazy cannon in LF.

Hawk and DJ keep talking about how Garcia has lost velocity on his fastball but they have yet to say why.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 01:00 PM) Nah, I fear they'd drift out over the plate. Or he'd plunk batter after batter only to be ejected after his 8th straight hit batsman.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 12:58 PM) Thats been obvious, but I've gotten tired of seeing our manager dick around with our combo. With our pitching sucking ass it becomes more important to make sure our team can field imo. We have enough bats in this lineup. It's just another example of Guillen not learning from his mistakes.

ROB MACKOWIAK IS COSTING THIS TEAM GAMES IN CENTERFIELD!

"There's proabably going to be a lot of runs scored in this ballgame" - Hawk Everytime he says this, the teams combine to score 3 runs the rest of the game.

ugh . . . this is sadenning.

Well, Iguchi nearly impaled A-Rod right there.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 12:42 PM) Basically about how much are pitching is underachieving this year. That they were a 10 last year, and at best, a 5.5-6 this year. f***ing homer.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 12:38 PM) This DFA fad is hilarious Especially seeing how most people on here probably didn't even know what it meant until recently and a lot of them still don't know what it means.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 12:27 PM) Ugh, I don't even want to trade this guy. Let's just DFA. Whos going to want to trade for a 90 MPH fast baller? Stop posting, just stop hitting the god damn button.

PREACH HAWK!! NOW TELL ME WHY THE f*** HE HAS NO VELOCITY!

I have absolutely NO confidence in Freddy Garcia to even go 5 innings today without allowing 8+ runs.

QUOTE(whitesoxin @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 08:03 PM) This is perplexing. All of you on here base your opinion on players solely on their statistics and nothing else? No one ever said that, there's a lot of factors that are taken into consideration when evaluating players, stats just happen to be one of them. If you just completely swear off all stats, you're doing yourself a great disservice. Even Mr. Intangibles himself Joe Morgan checks out a players stats every once in awhile.

QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 03:30 PM) Widger sucks. QUOTE(TitoMB345 @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 08:03 PM) WIDGER BLOWS! You're just rackin' up the quality posts tonight ain't ya?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 07:54 PM) My god this thread has turned into gold. Oh the irony.. Seriously, pot meet kettle. I learned to love Buehrle threads long ago, the words "scary, very scary" come to mind.

QUOTE(whitesoxin @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 07:44 PM) In picking the players that I like, yes personal prejudice is what matters. I don't like Buehrle, I love the White Sox. I like Vazquez. Is that so wrong? And btw, I think all stats are worthless in baseball. ERA, ERA+, RBI, ect. It was beat like a dead horse last year, but wins is the only thing that matters. Baseball is a game where the slightest change in the path of a ball, the speed of the ball, the hand eye cordination of the batter, and so on can change everything. So what were the determining factors when you decided you dislike Buehlre but like Vazquez? Just curious.

QUOTE(whitesoxin @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 07:25 PM) He's never been that great IMO. Obviously he is not going to pitch this awful all year, but I would be suprised if his ERA dipped below 4 the rest of the season. IMO Buehrle is very over rated by White Sox fans. Mark Buehrle has a career 128 ERA+, Roy Halladay 127. Their career numbers are incredibly similar and I doubt you'll be calling Roy Hallday overrated. I could make a long winded post full of numbers and s*** comparing him to other accomplished pitchers of the past decade but I'm thinking that might just be a waste of time.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 06:15 PM) Burnett had several injuries (and also needed Tommy John sugery) and was dismissed from his team for throwing them under the bus to the press. He's injury-prone and has a bad attitude - two very good reasons to not throw a $55 million contract at him. Whatever better "stuff" Burnett has, Mark has been tremendously more successful in terms of individual pitching performance, winning, and being a good teammate. His value is much higher than Burnett's. And he'll get more money than Burnett got but not $20M more. Don't you wonder why kerry wood will probably end up getting a nice sized deal after this season? GMs love guys with killer arms, they all think they'll be the one to get the most out of the guy no one else could tap into. Buehlre should get a nice payday but it will not be that much more than Burnett got. I'd say $13M at this point in time looks to be the safe bet. Barry Zito should give us a better idea of what Buehrle will command on the open market, they've had extremely similar careers and should get similar money in free agency.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jul 15, 2006 -> 06:08 PM) Look at Burnett's stats. His career ERA is 0.10 points higher than Mark's, despite the fact that he pitched exclusively in the NL prior to this season. His career WHIP is also lower. Oh, and Burnett only pitched 200 innings TWICE in his entire freaking career... yet he still got 5 years/$55 million... from the freaking Blue Jays, of all teams. Given that, I don't think that 5 years/$75 million is a pipe dream for Buehrle. He'll only be 28 after next season and his career numbers blow away Burnett's. I'm not saying that the Sox should re-sign him at that rate, but the market will definitely force his value way above what Burnett got. Burnett got his contract soley based on his upside and pure stuff, the guy throws in the high 90's with a nasty breaking ball when healthy, a guy like that is always going to find a place in baseball. Burnett is a horrible comparison to Buehrle. Burnett has Ace quality stuff, Buehrle does not, it's really as simple as that.