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Do you know why the Sox made that trade ? Lack of pitching depth after the season started but that was also apparent before the season started. Sound familiar ? And now you are also suggesting they do the same thing if necessary this season. You make your own luck. Lack of preparation caused a chain of events that led to the rebuild. I can understand you calling Tatis luck a little bit, but the trade in itself was a blunder. It was typical Sox acquisition that only netted them an innings eater and not a pitcher who could propel a struggling team to greater heights. A trade where the other team ate a lot of money for a guy who was a mistake for the Padres since they acquired him , a veteran who was sucking and sucked even worse once the Sox got him. He wasn't a difference maker. The majority of us hated the trade in the thread that followed the trade, not because of Tatis, but because Shields was so bad. How many times do the Sox have to keep making the same mistake over and over again before they realize that 34+ year old players who show multiple signs of decline aren't likely to improve ? No one here can claim they hated the trade for Tatis because of Tatis but the majority of us here hated it because it was a bad trade from the get go and Tatis becoming a superstar pissed us off even more.

I'll have to disagree with the lottery ticket analogy. Lottery tickets are not scouted by a highly respected guy and signed and then traded for because the other team values the skill set and the position he plays. Lottery tickets are a complete unknown, baseball players are not. You do not target specific lottery tickets because they are all the same. Lottery tickets are complete luck so you can't look stupid. Once again luck is the residue of design. The Padres luck was by design.

I think a lot of the answers are based on old info like with Bush. The only poll I answered was on the IFA's and my answer was the one least picked, Jose Rodriguez and If I had to pick a 2nd one it was Bryan Ramos and he was the 2nd least popular pick in that poll.

Eloy would have to separate himself from the pack of very talented hitters and reach that plateau where all of baseball is talking about him. This year that would mean 40 HR's and a .300 BA without looking like he's wearing clown shoes in the OF. It would be nice though if he can reach that kind of plateau for like 5 years in a row. I have a pet theory on Eloy that is out there but based on some observations that no one wants to hear .

Usually many of my posts are edited because I don't proof read them well enough or I think of something else to add. So when I was writing my response to you I typed rotting instead of rooting and caught it when proof reading and I thought, hell, that's as good of a word as any for describing us diehards interest in the Sox. One side of my mouth drinks the Kool Aid and the other spits poison and bites. Is that what they mean by speaking out of both sides of your mouth ??

Unless you have some insight about Burger you'd like to share there's really no reason he shouldn't be the 16th rated prospect. That's not exactly rarefied air for a player who was picked 11th in the whole country in 2017. It's not like he has sucked at baseball, his body just failed him. He seems to be in much better shape now and maybe he learned a lesson that those injuries taught him. You can't be an athlete and treat your body like a garbage dump. Besides, I believe the rankings are a collective effort of Future Sox not just Jimmy.

You've been a Sox fan a long time like me. They are my favorite team in all of sports. I don't know if that's true for you but regardless, there's no real reason to be down. It's not like you are the owner. We are just observers with a rotting , I mean rooting interest.

I'm not angry. I've been a Sox fan far too long to get angry. I enjoy every season of my favorite team on the planet. You don't have to sell me on the team. I just don't take making the playoffs for granted. It's a good team capable of greats things if they live up to their potential and a little luck. But that's the crux of the matter. The Sox depend on a lot of things going the right way. Branch Rickey said " Things worthwhile generally don’t just happen. Luck is a fact, but should not be a factor. Good luck is what is left over after intelligence and effort have combined at their best. Negligence or indifference are usually reviewed from an unlucky seat. The law of cause and effect and causality both work the same with inexorable exactitudes. Luck is the residue of design.”

The guy I quoted obviously. When you don't increase payroll and don't provide pitching depth it is always a question of making the playoffs rather than winning once there.

But the question should be why couldn't this be our year ? Which is the same question I have every year we make the playoffs. So not that often . And with that in mind, that playoff appearances are a rare thing, and will continue to be a rare thing until proven otherwise, I will continue to ask why wouldn't the Sox try to win a World Series every year in the window ?

I'm particularly interest in the guys who showed quick bats and upticks in velocity. McClure, Jose Rodriquez and Bryan Ramos.

Are the Sox going to try him at many different positions ? Would be nice to see him try the OF, 2nd, 3rd and not just end up another DH type. There's a lot of value in versatile guys which is an aspect of the Sox system that should be addressed more.

A surprise can work both ways. So that makes you right no matter how he does.

Maybe rephrase the question to say who you think will suck less.

It's a hard choice. Most of us realize how frugal the front office is so we shape our opinions based on that. Keeping the majority of the kids really isone of the only things that gives a Sox a shot at longer term success. Plus people fall in love with prospects. Even an older prospect like Dunning's loss was rued by many here because it was for only 1 year of a pitcher. Now , myself, I wouldv'e been perfectly fine if anyone offered a nice player for Crochet. Would've had to be a decent starting pitcher with at least 3 years left, with Crochet as the center piece. I will be thrilled if he can keep his arm healthy this year, because I would rather be wrong than right. But even that doesn't get the Sox out of the woods on him. Next year he becomes a starting pitcher with an even bigger innings load. I also don't believe the Sox can maintain a long run for more than 3 more years. Reinsdorf couldn't even commit any money to this year's team. He just shifted pieces around and hired some new coaches even though a really good team this year maybe gets some fans in the park some time this year and headed into a full year of season tickets and good attendance next year . Of course there will probably be a strike in what looks like it should've been the Sox best year if someone steps up to replace Lynn and Kopech looks good. Keep that payroll down headed into a strike, and the 3 year window goes out the door sabotaged by Covid, labor unrest and JR. Anything other than that is a risk. The kids can come out of the other side of all that stuff still here . Trading for better players with less time on their contracts just means a higher percent of their time is wasted.

Have to disagree. If I could see that train wreck coming so should have the Sox . It was just like LaRoche. EE was just older . A couple of years of declining stats that anyone could see. $10M could've been given to another pitcher. You do that and use Collins or Mercedes maybe one of them actually produces. Now you have a better lineup that could have advanced farther in the playoffs. Then you also have more pitching (depending on what you used EE money for) and another good hitter heading into the current off season. A lot would've had to go right and we still might not have advanced in the playoff but maybe we would have won the division and home field for the 1st leg but at the very least we find out some things about Mercedes or Collins that we are still waiting to find out and maybe never find out. It's one thing to wait until the very end of the off season and spend 2 or 3M on depth pieces. The Sox were tapped out after Rodon. $10M seems to be something we can't spend on just 1 player now. The Sox essentially have the same payroll as last year. They just swapped out some players for others signed a HOF manager and said OK Katz do your thing. Make our kids better. On a weird side note when I was talking about Katz and the kid pitchers something popped into my head: The Katzenjammer Kids. I couldn't even remember what it was so I googled it.

No that's the term Chitownsportsfan was looking for when he said throw some rocks into the water from a boat. Mine was just an older saying meaning the same thing.

Did you notice the bulk of the salary is paid 11/30/21 ? I wonder if that means the Dodgers are still over the CBT level and it goes on next years book instead. Don't the Dodgers have a lot of money coming off the books next year ? SO if I'm right only $18M on the books this year for Bauer . IDK how all this financial stuff works accounting wise but maybe the Dodgers just saved a bunch of money on the CBT . Might still be over it but not by nearly as much. But you can still see that 1st year of salary no matter when its paid + the bonus is still higher than the combined salary's of Lynn, Hendriks, Eaton and Rodon for 2021 . Right ? I don't think I really have to do the math to see that.

I actually don't think they learned anything. It's been the team's M.O. to purchase old decaying vets in the past and they didn't learn anything from their failures. You even got one guy here saying they wish they did it more for depth and it's only money when clearly the money matters and they suck at finding veteran help in that price range . Apparently he doesn't know the difference between a starter and depth guys costs. Rodon was a waste of $3M . But If he ends up starting for a few months before he gets injured without getting his head knocked from his neck maybe he will have earned it. Then he can be let go and the Sox can sign him next winter.

I remember an old saying about "he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn." Ahh those old sayings from back when there were a lot of farms. Of course I grew up in the inner city . Houses so close together u could put your feet and hands on each wall and climb your way up.

What is wrong with u ? The guy is a teacher. He likes to teach. You can walk out of the classroom if you don't like it without telling the guy to STFU.

He did good then taking his time. Thought it might be lower because his traditional stats were good but nothing much shows up as good on his statcast stuff.

Curious to see how much he got.

7-1-1 in their last 9. Nice to see they eeked out some wins in Detroit when they were due to fold against weak competition. Lot's of talk about the hungry kids buying into Colliton's system. It's not always talent in hockey that can make teams win. Team work , everyone pulling on the same rope, goes a long way. They are putting in the work winning 50/50 battles , gaining confidence that the Colliton way is the right way.

Will be pretty sad when Hendriks get's overused and injured.