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Some of you need a reality check .Madrigal isnt untouchable. Neither is Kopech his career and his life have major problems. The Sox are in a position to be contenders for years to come with or without Kopech or Madrigal. Holy overvaluing prospects Batman ! The goal is to win The freaking world series not win the prospect derby. Sox have won 1 WS in 100 yrs. 1 more in the next 5 yrs would be nice. I'd like to start going for it this year .

Oh but I like him both silly and serious it just makes it harder to gauge when he flip flops between them on the same topic.

Ok good so we will make the playoffs and you agree we can win the World Series this year and next year. What's the old saying ? Don't put off till tomorrow what you can do today. Hypothetically if just one player Kopech for Lynn you dont do it ? You give up on 20 and maybe 21 but want to take your best shots in 22-25 without losing a single prospect in a trade? So 20 through 25 is the window 6 years but 2 of those years you decide we can win the World Series but do nothing to help them win it because 1 good piece isnt good enough to help them win the world series when you also said they are already good enough to win the world series. It's very confusing what you said.

Great who would you part with and for who ?

Wait seriously ? Our odds to make the playoffs are up to 95%+. I wish you would not jump back and forth between posting smartly on a topic then going back into poop mode.

Would you agree we will make the playoffs this year ?

No no and no but Uncle Jerry decides.

Too bad Covid is around and the Tatis deal happened. Both are making Sox fans cling to prospects like newborns toa tete. If just Kopech gets you Lynn you do it. You wait and wait for the rebuild to be finshed to get it the playoffs to have team that can reach and win the World Series. What is Kopech going to contribute to the Sox this year and next ? Nothing . Innings limit next year. Two years of rust to shake off. Arm surgery. Trouble in his marriage. Opted out. Get the picture ? Things are unraveling for him. Yea he can still be good but when ? I thought once the window opened and we were one piece away and one cheap piece like Lynn you take your shot. HE'S not James Shields. These are the same tough decisions the Cubs and Astros had to make. Both teams lost quality prospects in trades but won a World Series. There's almost no way to avoid that. We are one good starter short . You all tell me how were going to get one who is a 1 or 2 right now . If you prefer to wait for Cease, Lopez, Dunning we give up a shot at a ring this year and maybe next year too. Rebuild is over and as long there is baseball being played I'd like to think there will be a world series played. Sucks to have our window open now but its wide open waiting to see if we have the guts to do what every team does that truly wants to be World Champs.

Only one way to see if they accept it. Chicago White Sox says they accept it in a heartbeat. You say you doubt it.All depends on the other offers .

Kopechs future is suspect at this point and very likely not to make much impact until 2022 if even then. We dont even know if baseball is still his top priority. Trade him before he becomes a social worker or runs off to be with a guru. Unfair I know. But when everyone else was crapping on him for opting out I said it could be smartest decision he could make. Not prioritizing baseball in itself isnt a bad thing but it is to a team and fans expecting big things from him.

But could be means or he could not be. Just what are you doing to improve our chances for 20 and 21? Waiting ?

Good done deal then . 2 shots at a world series giving up one guy who hasn't done anything in 2 years and definitely wont contribute this year and isnt likely to contribute much next year either.

Sanchez won a gold glove, how is that helping him ? I love how he's already winning multiple gold gloves . Spin the potential into gold if you want and spin Lynn as some old guy who will make 34 uneventful starts instead of a likely Cy Young candidate this year and a huge boost to our weakest link

Yes they are locked up and if you think we can win a World Series this year and next waiting for one of Cease , Dunning, Kopech, Lopez ,Rodon , Crochet to greatly contribute to 20 and 21 I respect that. But if they dont and you have to compete on the open market for the few quality starters available with Jerry holding the purse strings tightly, I'm more inclined to take my chances now at a cheap guy for the 2 years rather than wait for the young cores years to slip away waiting to internally find another 1 or 2 SP.

Gotta give to get and we'd still have Cease Dunning , Lopez, Stiever, Thompson and Dahlquist and more importantly 2 great chances to win this year and next year and no need to pay big bucks for a starter if Kopech isnt ready again . Value World Series dont over value Kopechs perceived instant ability to contribute after 2 years off

Ok I'll put you down as one of the 50 % who would hate it until we win this year or next years World Series.

That would be a good offer. By that I mean half the board would hate it. 25% would love it and 25% would think it was fair.

I'm starting to wonder if the rumors of Vaughn being almost ready was a sly thing to prop him up for the trade deadline.

Yeah I'm hoping he is though to Texas Call him a co headliner depending on a 2nd piece.

James doesnt expect to get Lynn free I'm sure You cant want Lynn and expect to give up nothing.

The team is already very young but playing wining baseball. Madrigal and others represent a continued stream of success . But we have to weigh the future chances against current chances. Pitching wins championships especially when you already have a good but young BP and good hitting and lead the league in DRS. Keep as much pitching as you can and if have to deal some then choose among Lopez and guys who are further away. Keep Cease and Dunning. WE will need them after 2021 when Lynn is gone with hopefully a World Series ring already on their fingers.

Thank you James exactly my point. Take you best shot at Lynn and see what happens.

Those things seem very hopeful for Madrigal especially the stolen bases. Why wait on anyone when u can win now and next year ? The window is open .We are making the playoffs and maybe just a good SP pitcher away from a very serious shot to win it ALL this year. It's not a short shot at a World Series. Trading Madrigal and other non essential pieces for Lynn improves short term chances dramatically and doesnt do anything to hurt long term chances either.

Protesting for a good cause means a lot more if you arent doing it when its convenient. The NBA players dont want to play during the pandemic . So even if you truly want social reform then do something. Not playing basketball during a pandemic and disguising it as a protest of social injustice seems a bit convenient to me. The intentions are valid but I wonder if the same thing happens without the pandemic. Sorry if what I said was what the OP wanted to avoid. The baseball season has already been altered so much by Covid . Just cancel the season now and pay everyone accordingly and everyone can protest all they want.

Do you define a guy like Lynn as a rental because he's tailor made for the Sox, cheap and very good. 3 Cy Young candidates give us a real shot this year and next if we can avoid putting Cease in the package. The only question mark then would be the ultra young pen without Bummer if he cant return.