jackie hayes

So what you're saying is, we're getting LaPorta...

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:39 PM) What's Florida's payroll going to be next season? It already was lower than their revenue sharing check. They have to be pretty close to negative by now.

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 06:32 PM) Hmm, I'm starting to think that 2 years of Andruw > outlandish package of prospects that we are already thin on for Cabrera. Don't get me wrong, I want Miggy, but I want a farm system too. So how's it feel to have neither?

QUOTE(bigruss22 @ Dec 4, 2007 -> 05:42 PM) I wonder how legit that article is. First he marks that Danks and Floyd are close in value, not directly but he says "and" one of them. Second, he misspells Gio with "Geo" and third, he calls Danks a right hander. Nothing huge with the last two, but makes me wonder how much knowledge this guy has of the SOx players, esp. if he think that Danks=Floyd, I mean c'mon, thats ridiculous. Kenny is very crafty. When the Marlins accept, we will point out that we have no Geo Gonzalez, nor any rh John Danks. Cabrera for Fields, baby!

Call is confirmed... You, sir, are a f***ing idiot.

BULLs***. Clearly bobbled the ball. f***ing ridiculous.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 08:03 PM) I did not say tiny or powerless, nor would I. Fine. But you said, That at least suggests that these extremists don't have the ear of the government. But the protests couldn't have happened without the government's assent. Some good speculation on the government's role and intent from a BBC corresp: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7125514.stm You then said, I'm sorry, but clearly the idea is that, out of "millions", only "a few" of "a few hundred" are extremist. Maybe you have a very specific definition of the percentage needed to qualify for tinyness. If so, profound apologies.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 07:54 PM) Yeah, Quentin was acquired to be a full-time player. He's not platooning with anyone, much less Jerry Owens. Owens -- if he is indeed our fourth outfielder -- may spell him against some tough righties, but it won't be anything more than that (so long as Quentin is producing). If so, only for rest, I hope. Quentin has pretty even splits.

Meet halfway. "Some news agencies reported thousands of people took part in the protest, but a BBC reporter at the scene said up to a thousand marchers turned out." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7121025.stm

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 04:49 PM) I am going to re-open the thread for a bit, since the issue has come to a resolution of sorts - Gibbons was pardoned, and is now on a flight back home to the UK. The President of Sudan pardoned her, with the support of others in the government. So after all that bluster, in a country of millions... a few hundred people protested, and a few of those were calling for executions. And ultimately, Gibbons has nothing but good things to say of the Sudanese, and it seems most of the country took no issue with the situation. This really appears to have been, again, a loud minority trying using religion as a tool for their own hatred. Glad to see she is going home safe. ETA: Let's try to keep the discussions civil this time. I believe it is a minority, but nothing suggests it's a tiny one, nor powerless. To get thousands out for a cause as idiotic as this says something.

QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 03:21 PM) No thanks. Micah can't hit for us. Hell, he could dh against lefties.

QUOTE(rockren @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 03:12 PM) Writing has gotta be on the wall for Sweeney and Anderson doesn't it? It's probably been on the wall for a while. It's been there so long for Anderson that I think they got it engraved.

Very nice deal. Very, very nice. Not bad for the Dbacks, either. He was obviously the odd man out in the of, and they get a good bat with a lot of potential. I'm somewhat surprised they didn't get a pitcher somewhere, but they still get a valuable piece.

When the symbol destroys the substance, it's a tribute I don't like.

QUOTE(Chombi @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 10:37 PM) Yea I kind of lost myself there. I was in a hurry so I appologize. Basically, only one of Hughes, Joba, and Kennedy are going so I wasn't sure what two pitchers that were spoke of that needed to be replaced by Santana. Everything I have seen lately is Hughes, Melky + one other guy. 5 guys are off limits, including Kennedy and Joba. So I was saying in regards to the comment of a deal not solving the Yanks problems that it actually could. Only Melky really contributed a lot last season and they have 3 OF's so he can be replaced. Santana is the ace they lack and could've used in the playoffs the last few years. Sure they could use guys stepping up at the plate but with a guy like Johan, it will only be a one or two run game. Johan is exactly what this team needs to take the next step next season. Dealing young pitchers surely should bother them but there appears to be a ton of them hitting the market next season (excluding Peavy I heard). If things backfire next year or they come closer to winning it, don't be surprised to see them deal more prospects again for another arm/bat. They have a lot of money coming off the payroll and can really change the layout of their team. I think that is what I was essentially getting at. Everyone knows they'll spend and next seasons class looks to be the best in years. So I think that factors into them deciding to move certain players now. From what I've heard, Joba is completely offlimits, they'll deal Hughes, though they'd prefer to deal Kennedy. I don't think Kennedy is offlimits, but he IS offlimits as a third player in the deal. The rumor was cooked up by someone in the Minny Star-Trib. (It's in the thread; read back from that post you quoted through the exchange I had with Balta to find it.) All I'm saying is that I wouldn't deal Hughes AND Kennedy if I were the Yankees. I think that's too much and leaves too many questions about their rotation. Since the Yankees apparently won't offer both, it's neither here nor there. Just debate about a defunct rumor. About the fa market next year -- However strong the fa market next year looks, some of those pitchers will be signed, some will disappoint, some will get injured. And anyway, the Yanks have problems now. Pettitte, Clemens, and Igawa handled close to 400 innings last year, and they're all iffy or worthless. They can't afford to cash in all their kids for Santana, and it would be a big overpayment, even for him.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 05:57 PM) Well I'll go ahead and disagree with you there. The guy's known for playing full speed on every play, for making opponents pay for every catch. So the natural tribute is to make it easy for them for a play?

QUOTE(Vance Law @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 03:16 PM) Saw that A Jones wasn't offered arbitration by the Braves, thus they don't get compensation picks. So they feared he might actually accept arbitration, and they didn't want to have to pay whatever that would be. Isn't arbitration based on the previous 2 years' performance? Wouldn't his brutal 2007 really hurt what he'd get in arb? Yes, but not much. You have to pay at least 80% (iirc) of the previous salary. And his salary wasn't exorbitant last year ($14 mil -- a lot for what he did, but not so much considering his history and the salaries being paid today). I doubt it would have gone down much, if at all. Still, I imagine they would have got that one comp pick (Jones is a type B fa). Jones can't really do worse than a $14 mil one-year deal.

QUOTE(rockren @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 03:33 PM) These teams are just posturing...if the Yanks really wouldn't deal Hughes AND Kennedy for Johan, while letting him go to Boston... I can't even predict that outcome because it's too far-fetched. Not really.

QUOTE(Chombi @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 02:37 PM) Santana is the best 1/5 you can have though. He'd win 20+ easily imo. Hughes and Joba aren't both going in the deal and I can't imagine you'd mean Kennedy as the 2 pitchers you were refering to. A) he isn't going and B) he hasn't proven anything... so I am lost as to who the other guy you were talkin about that Santana would need to outperform other then Hughes. Santana takes a Yankee playoff team and gives them what they lack. A go to guy. He can win 2 games for them in a series in the playoffs and that is something they'll need. Not to mention they will have no problem locking him up. All they care about is this year. They care about next but what I mean is this. They're a playoff team and adding Santana while subtracting minimal contribution from last seasons team is huge. Now we know the Yankees so don't think for a second that in their minds, dealing a Hughes and others is completely forgotten with the arrival of Johan. If they add Kennedy so be it. Their is a surplus of SP's that will be available via FA or trades next season. Guys like Giambi and his 21 mil will be off the payroll. Abreu and his 17 mil. Mussina has 11 mil. Pavano and his 11 mil. Even Farnsworth comes off the payroll with like 6 mil. Basic addition brings us to 66 mil free. Some will go into Johan but even then it won't stop the Yanks from spending. They know what is available and Santana is a brilliant move for them because he contributes next season instead of 09. There isn't a bidding war in FA with multiple teams, including your BoSox. And yea you give up a great young arm but he isn't proven yet and I don't think he will be on Johans level anytime soon. The rumor was Hughes and Kennedy (in addition to Melky). It was more or less shot down. I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here...

From rotoworld: As well as Washington's dealt with the situation overall, this strikes me as a very dumb tribute.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 2, 2007 -> 02:03 PM) Ellsbury might be the most overrated prospect/player in the history of baseball. Besides that, the Twins obviously need a ML-ready pitcher in one of these trades (Santana/Nathan).

rotoworld saying the Sawks have included Ellsbury...but taken Lester out. I don't quite see the point of that...

Other. I go with the pitcher who hit .720 with 98 hrs, 278 rbi, with the 556 ops+, alongside a .08 era, 410 k, 20 bb in 50 starts and 389.1 ip. You really think a gold glove is enough to make up the difference?

160 moves. 1 trade, 1 signing, and 158 busted at the dance they have on the last night of the Winter Meetings.

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