Jake

Well I think what you're saying is that reform to gun laws has to involve a more effective enforcement on low-income and gang-dominated areas. We basically have the ability to put a lot of these folks in prison since I doubt any of them legally possess arms, though they are all armed most of the time. I'm also attracted to the idea of giving incentive to turn in illegally possessed guns. Somebody mentioned giving cash payouts for folks that turn in illegally possessed guns, no questions asked. That's a great idea, really. Then you destroy all of those guns, which can't exist due to their likely lack of serial number anyway.

He's not perfect, but he's been doing pretty well. Too bad we'll probably lose him after this season. I like that he doesn't need to dominate the ball the entire game just to get his points in.

The thing about hurting the attendance, etc is it may just kill the sport once and for all. I am no fan on the league and owners, but I love my team and more importantly I love the sport and want it to grow. I'm afraid that if we get indignant about how important the league has been managed, the sport will fall to obscurity forever. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2012 -> 10:32 AM) Goodell Stern Selig Bettman And I totally agree with this ^^^^^

These arguments are gun skeptics looking for ideas and opponents trying to shut down discussion. Always and forever.

I think the "don't report on it! don't talk about the shooter!" stuff is crap.

The field just lacks any truly scary teams

I find Zeller to be very unimpressive

Holy s*** did Indiana look vulnerable here tonight

Zeller travels and charges for the tie!

Hot damn this is exciting Butler vs the refs! Go Dawgs!

Is Zeller normally a defensive liability or is today unusual?

Another s*** call to take Fromm out

It is unbelievable how much protection IU and Zeller in particular gets from the referees

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 01:02 PM) I was a victim in Lincoln Park. Got roughed up a little bit and had to give up my bag to get away (luckily escaped with my wallet). I'm hardly alone, the officers I talked to about it say they've been really busy with those kinds of attacks in their precinct. For one, if you're in the midst of a home invasion you have absolutely no time to try and analyze the situation. They could be in there just looking for s*** to steal but if you startle them or get a good look at them there's no guarantee they wont severely harm you. People deserve every right in the world to defend their property and their family when they are being targeted in their home. At the very least the presence of firearms within the home serves as a deterrent to burglary and the violence that can easily ensue if a homeowner confronts burglars. And the point I was really trying to make is that gun control enthusiasts absolutely love to point out statistics about Japan, Europe, China... whatever other country they can with tight gun control and low firearm deaths. But when it comes to looking at the same statistics across our own country, they'll make any excuse they can about why cities who violate 2nd amendment rights also suffer from the most violent crime. Gun restrictions imposed as a response to high crime rates do not mean that the gun restrictions have failed or made them worse. I tend to think that a city or state having restrictions doesn't do much since you still can have an influx of guns coming in from just outside those boundaries where there is a little ability for a city/state to enforce their laws. Federal laws are necessary if you actually want there to be fewer guns. It's too easy for me to come from my hometown in Central IL with all of my guns and sell them to some guy in Chicago. Or someone to come from Indiana and do the same thing. And the 2nd amendment doesn't say what kinds of guns we're free to have (though I can infer that muzzleloaders were likely about it) and to what extent we could have them. It doesn't tell me if I can have as many as I want, if I can carry it in public, if it can be automatic, etc. Let's not say these laws violate the second amendment, let's just say they restrict gun ownership.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 12:56 PM) sem·i·au·to·mat·ic [ sèmmee àwtə máttik ] 1. reloading automatically: automatically ejecting a spent shell from a weapon's chamber and replacing it with another round each time the weapon is fired 2. partially automated: operated partly automatically and partly manually 3. semiautomatic weapon: a weapon that is semiautomatic. One trigger pull, one shot NOT a machine gun. NOT an automatic weapon. MOST pistols and rifles sold are semi-automatic. Identifying guns with that phrase is meant only to instill fear or cause confusion with people that don't know the difference. I do get irritated with people acting like a semi-automatic is the same thing as an automatic. They are very different. However, the semi-automatic is still very lethal in terms of how easy it is to fire a shot.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 15, 2012 -> 10:54 AM) i knew that would be the response and it's a cop out. if something is important to you, you can find a way to make it happen. your family's lives should probably rank pretty high on the list. That's the exact argument conservatives use against welfare. If they want to get out of poverty enough, they'll do it. Self-reliance and stuff

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 11:35 PM) I don't have kids but this really hit me hard today. Also, this may not be the right place for this but how the f*** can anyone believe or more importantly worship a god that is all knowing and all powerful when things like this happen. If a god does exist and really is all knowing and all powerful, I say that it can go f*** itself. This is one of the most discussed issues in the humanities/philosophy/theology. While I don't believe in God, there are several different ways this has been taken on that make it a little more logical. And then there's always the "he works in mysterious ways/knows more about stuff than you" argument

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 09:31 PM) Mean.

I bought his ebook before I even finished reading

I'm not a tech expert, but I basically come to this thread to read Y2HH's posts In the Filibuster, I do the exact opposite

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/20...-profile/60011/

The identity confusion was based on the fact that the shooter was carrying the ID of his brother, Ryan. Ryan tells authorities that his brother had a history of mental illness, but the media isn't offering more elaboration

I have dealt with some shady characters, but I can't say I've ever run into a "gun dealer"

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 04:53 PM) Its all speculation but if the guns were in a backpack he could easily walk in and be like "Oh got a surprise for my mom" That actually sounds terrible when I type it. They're reporting now (on FOX news, I watch to hear all the BS) that he shot her in her home.

I've read the school had all locked doors and the perp would have had to be buzzed in, which wouldn't have been hard to do.