Jake

Ellsbury wouldn't be a bad pickup, but it's tricky adding to a position of strength. A hiccup or regression for Ellsbury and you have gained nothing.

I honestly don't hate that idea at all.

I won't say anything about Carlos Boozer until his backup plays like an NBA player again. He's also pretty reliant on the PG position for scoring, and we don't seem to be high on those guys right now.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 6, 2012 -> 11:13 AM) Well, would you even deal Viciedo for Gavin Floyd? Who on the Sox would you give up for Floyd? I think that shows how much value he has. Right now we need to package other assets if we want a starting bat. The crappy thing is his value would probably double at the deadline.

I don't want to bench/trade Dayan right before we have contracts expiring at 1B/DH

Based on the fact that a board this size doesn't have it, I'm guessing there must be a major hurdle to it.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 10:23 PM) Headley is not good. Agreed. I won't go that far but for the likely price, the risk that he goes back to a slightly above average player are too high for me. He'd instantly be our best 3B and would probably stay there for years... but at what cost?

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 10:12 PM) And why not? Given the likely cost, I'd prefer a player who has had more than one season of better than .800 OPS or more than 12 Hrs or more than 64 RBIs, especially when said player is 28 and has had several relatively unexciting seasons.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 10:00 PM) Not sure why everyone is so certain Keppinger is the full time 3B. Perhaps he was signed to be a supersub while KennyHahn chases an impact player nobody thinks we can acquire... Please no Headley

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 04:30 PM) If it's not about money and he wants to play in front of a big crowd, then there are other teams he can sign with. If he signs with Cleveland, then he's a hypocrite. Or he's been misquoted?

Yeah, you can't b**** about players following the money while simultaneously b**** about them prioritizing non-monetary considerations. Just because the non-monetary consideration is against your team, that does not mean that the player (Youk) is a bad guy. He practically chose the White Sox when he left Boston, but something about his experience here made him not especially eager to stay. Who cares? And if it is the attendance...are you going to say that he doesn't have a good argument?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 03:43 PM) He's got talent but he's a long, long ways away. You look for progress from a guy like Viciedo throughout the year. For Viciedo, he basically had an incredible May, hit for power in September, struck out a slightly lower rate in the second half(23.9% to 20.1%), and walked incrementally more in the second half (4.9% to 5.4%...he literally walked the same amount of times, just in 24 fewer plate appearances). There's hope, but if you can capitalize on his value, I would do so. I don't think the stats quantify the progress he made last season. The quality of his bats went up and there were a series of adjustments and counter adjustments that won't be happening for the first time next year. Every time pitchers changed their approach against him last year, it required more or less a first time ever adjustment from him. He made those adjustments too, but it took time. We have to assume that next year his turn around time on these adjustments will be quicker instead of spending a month trying to hit the inside pitch in play, etc.

3/$12 works for me. Even if it's a complete waste, that isn't exactly an albatross. I feel like risk of failure is similar or better compared to Youk and we don't have much invested if it does fail. Good low risk deal and Keppinger gets more than he ever would have imagined.

I doubt we're going to pay him any more than we paid Teahen. Even if he's a complete bust, 4-5M per year of wasted money isn't that big of a deal. In this market, not a bad get if the money is at 4-5 million.

His bat suits a particular need of ours. Like someone else said, the OBP is okay for our lineup. What he really brings, though, is a high contact hitter. He hits for average and he doesn't strike out...we needed more of that in our lineup if we weren't going to bring a real impact bat in instead.

How am I supposed to care about the years before I know the $$ per year? If it was $3M year, I don't give a f*** if it's 3. If it's $9M/year, I'll be getting suicidal

$$$$?

This thread is exciting. If the season starts, we should make a new NHL Thread that says, "Now with hockey!"

I'm not buying what they're selling re: Morel. This is all jockeying for leverage.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 11:12 AM) ADA for Granderson would be terrible, you'd be downgrading OBP, getting older, more expensive, and on and on. With Rios you'd get rid of a long term commitment who has been incredibly inconsistent, while taking on more cash for this year only. The idea of trading ADA is the assumption that you'll never get so much production from ADA again and that you'd like to add a LH power bat. The $$ is a real sticking point, but it's not my money

Bucket has my plates spinning

Realize that the leading institutes of learning, even into the 20th century, taught "race theory" which scientifically explained the superiority of the white American (yes, it's traced back to northwest Europe but there was a pretty strong belief that we had evolved due to our presence on this super amazing continent...and of course they weren't feeling the whole Mendelian genetics thing yet). Have to wonder what you would think if you studied at Harvard and that's where you learned the science of your own racial superiority...you might think it's true?

Belinelli was having a tough time playing offense after playing defense early in the year. Even he admits that he's never been in a system that prioritized defense before. Now he has his legs under him.

ADA for Granderson on wouldn't suck. Moving Gavin would become imperative though.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 06:20 AM) Because they are the Royals. They obviously need pitching, and they could probably get some good pieces back for Butler, and they supposedly have the bats in the minors to replace him. My ass. He's a premium bat, you never know if a minor leaguer can replicate that production. If they are serious about winning, they need to keep Butler.