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QUOTE (Soxfest @ May 28, 2016 -> 03:38 PM) 3 in 2 weeks I have not posted on this site for such a LONG time, perhaps years, but today loss is such a painful experience! How could you lose a 6-run lead at the bottom of the 9th inning? WHY THE HELL AM I A WHITE SOX FAN? SUCH A STUPID MANAGER THAT GOT KEPT ON PUSHING DOWN OUR THROATS EVERY SINGLE DAMN GAME!

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 9, 2014 -> 11:33 PM) Meathead sox fan in me wants Tanaka as it would be a major blow to north side v south side rebuild. The white sox off season would be one of the biggest turnarounds in recent memory. The cubs would almost be an afterthought in the city for 2014. The realist, that is a lot of money.... http://www.suntimes.com/sports/24862934-41...iro-tanaka.html Wow, things are getting so interesting and exciting!

QUOTE(aboz56 @ May 31, 2007 -> 07:29 PM) Sick to see some of you are actually glad Darin got hurt. Pretty classless. I'd say the time to cut that stuff out is immediately. Just can NOT believe you guys are behaving like this. Sorry but I have to let it out. f*** you guys. You guys have no heart at all. I am definitely through with this site. No wonder many old timers do not post on here anymore. You guys should be ashamed with your behavior. Erstad is playing his heart out for your f***ing team, and all you guys have done are just bashing him day in and day out. Now that he might be seriously injured, you guys are not only enjoying this but have no CLASS at all. You guys are f***ing CLASSLESS. Some of the Cubs fans are behaving much better than you are. You guys are a bunch of whiners. If you guys are that good, why don't you go and play some professional balls. Because you CAN'T! I am done with this site. Admin, take me off your database. I feel embarassed being associated with these heartless kids!!!

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Apr 25, 2007 -> 05:23 PM) Originally, that was what everyone assumed. Now that he's out of the lineup the next day, people have begun to question it. From ESPN 1000 this afternoon on my way home from work, Dye has some sort of sprain on his hip. It was not for defensive purpose that he was replaced by Pablo last night. Stop bashing Ozzie blindly when people don't even know the fact!

Man, this still hurts quite a bit!

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jan 5, 2007 -> 10:04 AM) You have a pic of Gio is your sig and yet you think the yanks got a better deal? Please explain why you think that? Viz wasnt even that good in the weak NL west last year with a 3.58 ERA as a reliever. I expect him to get SHELLED in the AL east to the tune of a 4.50+ ERA. He is also 32 and not getting younger. Ohlendorf is an old prospect at 25, and really just started to come on this year. He had a 3.29 ERA in AA last year with a pretty good k/walk ratio, but he wasnt regarded as one of their top ten guys. In fact none of those guys were on their top ten list for this year. Here is a summary from some guys who know their system a little better than i. Ohlendorf- This is one of the guys that has been talked about for a while. He doesn't throw hard but he gets it across the plate and gets guys out. Has potential to be in the 3rd spot of the rotation, more than likely a 5th spot or relief. Jackson- I like this guy. He is big and has a good fastball and a real good slider. His problem is he has terrible control. They reworked his mechanics last season and he showed a little improvement. I would have liked to keep him. Gozalez- He has no future with the Diamondbacks. We already have too many SS. He doesn't poses much of a bat but he can sure defend. I'm not real sure on his potential as a major leaguer because of his bat. I like our deal better, not to mention we didnt have to send any money, and didnt pick up a player who is due for a raise. "Grass is always greener on the other side" kind of mentality! With Gio back, our minor league is getting stronger. Hopefully, Cooper will do his magic to bring Floyd back to his "Messiah" potential.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Dec 29, 2006 -> 02:18 PM) FWIW, WSI has a thread on the Baldelli talk. A first time poster [yeah, I know, with "connections"] mentioned BA, Masset and Lance Broadway possibly being involved. Take it with a grain of salt. But something like that is probably worth it. http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbullet...2751&page=2 No way in the world I would do this deal! Masset will be an outstanding reliever next year. Rocco does not worth two of our top pitching prospects AND Anderson. Hell NO, I will not do this deal at all. Anderson and Broadway are the most I'm willing to give up for Rocco.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Dec 29, 2006 -> 08:19 AM) I agree with you, I think the only way another starter moves is if the offer is insane. FWIW, this is not worthy of its own thread yet, ESPN in the morning was saying that the Sox are still interested in Rocco, and if they get him they would use some of the new prospects they got. (There wasn't more than that, so it could just be espnradio rehashing old news) It was Bruce Levine who reported that if the White Sox want Rocco, they would have to give up Anderson along with two pitching prospects.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 9, 2006 -> 10:08 PM) So it strictly matters on how good the player is? I don't have any problem with either, unless Buehrle has been specifically told not to do it. When you are an ace, act like one. Heads22, you should know it. Buerhle is one of the leaders on this team. For a leader who is showing IN PUBLIC his support and love for other team, to me is not RIGHT. You do know what Reinsdorf meant when he said that, am I right?

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 9, 2006 -> 09:54 PM) I believe Mackowiak was at the 05 WS rooting for us while still a member of the Bucs. Does that make him a bad person too? What are you guys talking about? Buerhle is our ace. For an ace who keeps on wearing other team's hat, to me is very offended. If he wears the Cubs hat, what would be your opinion then? Do you guys still give him your support? It might not offend you, but to me, it's very offended. Trade his ass to the Cardinals!

QUOTE(PlunketChris @ Dec 9, 2006 -> 10:37 AM) And really, is that so wrong? I know, there's something to be said for loyalty to your employer. But there's also something to be said for loyalty to the team you grew up loving. It's not like he's on the Cubs doing this. The White Sox and Cards play 3 times every third year, unless they meet up in the World Series. Mark has expressed nothing but love for playing in and for the city of Chicago, and I trust that he'll give us the fair shot when he's a Free Agent looking for a new contract. That said, I'm not gonna be surprised to see him in Cardinal red.. I guess it won't be much different, as we've all already seen the pictures. Does the team you grew up loving PAY for your humongous salary? If you work for the Ford company, would you dare driving a Japanese car into its lots? At least have some courtesy and respect for the team that is paying you huge money to play for it by NOT showing your love for that team in public! And this is not the first time that he has done this. If he loves the Cardinals that much, trade his ass as far as I'm concerned.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 09:19 AM) I know you hate young players and figure that vets should be on the field at all times. But what was your solution. Did you really think that should of resigned Freddy at current market, or did you want to get a one year rental on a wells type player. I mean the draft pick is pretty sexy, but do you really think that teams were willing to give up major league grade a talent for a 1 year rental. Southsideirish71, do you think Kenny should get more than Floyd and Gonzalez for Garcia? I am not knocking the trade of Garcia. I am terribly disappointed of the unfair-valued return. When everyone knows that the White Sox are sitting pretty with six starting pitchers, all we need to do is wait for few more weeks for Zito to be gone to some team. After Zito is gone, we will have a much better leverage to trade Garcia than it is now. Personally, I feel Kenny is jumping the gun here!!!

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:34 PM) Well, this article is downright scary. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines If KW isn't bluffing, things are about to get very ugly. So much for extending the deals on our starters. Fathom, after reading the article, do you sense it as much as I am that we are witnessing the beginning of the sell-off (salary dump)? And it will be gradually. I truly hope that I am wrong!

QUOTE(TheBigHurt @ Dec 6, 2006 -> 11:33 PM) I really don't know much about these two guys, but as far as I can tell from everyone's reaction, they aren't too pretty. I know a little about Floyd, but not much about Gio. Based on everything I've read here, would we not have been better off with just garcia, or what? Cuz everyone seems ready to start a riot over this trade. I have to admit, though, I saw a headline saying the Sox made a trade with Philly, and I was hoping I'd see the name "Jimmy Rollins." Hell, "Aaron Rowand" would've made me feel a little bit better. All you need to know about Floyd is his era last year was 7.23! Goddamn it!

WHAT THE F**K HAS KENNY BEEN SMOKING??? How can you only get Floyd and Gonzalez for Garcia, a 17-game winning pitcher??? What the hell is going on here??? Floyd's era last year in 11 games was 7.23! How can Kenny be this f**king stupid??? I don't even care if Kenny can flip them to the Devil Rays for Rocco. For Garcia, we can get much more than Floyd and Gonzalez. With all the baseball experts have stated how beautifully the White Sox have been sitting and waiting for the market to clear out with the surplus of starting pitchers that they have, now we have lost that edge thanks to the stupid move by our GM Kenny!!! You gotta be f**king kidding me!!!

First of all, I want to emphasize that I am NOT here to personally attack you. I am just expressing my frustration on the injustice that is displayed in front of me. I understand we are all White Sox fans, and I just hate to see politics to get in between. So this will be my last post regarding this botched joke by Kerry. Kerry messed up, and he did apologize. I think you are intelligent enough to see that no way on earth that Kerry had the intention to say that, because that would be a political career death. And I know you know damn well that there is no way the Republican Machine will let this slide by. I know you know damn well that they will unconscionably take advantage of this misspoken and not only smear Kerry's reputation but to group all of the Democrats in as well. Regarding Cindy Sheehan, I am very proud of her action. Have you ever experienced the pain of losing a child, let alone to such a senseless war? I have not, but I do have children, and if my children died because of this unjust war, I probably would do the same. The reason that I asked you whether or not you have served is because I find that it's kind of funny that those PUBLIC OFFICIALS who have not served are the ones that criticize Kerry the most. Below is the list of the Republican officals who have not served. Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert - avoided the draft, did not serve. Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey - avoided the draft, did not serve. Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay - avoided the draft, did not serve. "So many minority youths had volunteered ... that there was literally no room for patriotic folks like himself." House Majority Whip Roy Blunt - did not serve Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist - did not serve. Majority Whip Mitch McConnell, R-KY - did not serve Rick Santorum, R-PA, third ranking Republican in the Senate - did not serve. George Felix Allen, Republican Senator from Virginia - a supporter of Nixon and the Vietnam war, did not serve. GW Bush - decided that a six-year Nat'l Guard commitment really means four years. Still says that he's "been to war." Huh? VP Cheney - several deferments, the last by marriage (in his own words, "had other priorities than military service") Former Att'y Gen. John Ashcroft - did not serve; received seven deferment to teach business ed at SW Missouri State Former Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott - avoided the draft, did not serve. Jeb Bush, Florida Governor - did not serve. Former Speaker Newt Gingrich - avoided the draft, did not serve Karl Rove - avoided the draft, did not serve (1), too busy being a Republican. George Will, did not serve Chris Matthews, did not serve. Bill O'Reilly, did not serve Paul Gigot, did not serve. Bill Bennett, did not serve Pat Buchanan, did not serve Rush Limbaugh, did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst') Michael Savage - did not serve Pat Robertson - claimed during 1986 campaign to be a "combat veteran." In reality, was a "Liquor Officer." Bill Kristol, did not serve Sean Hannity, did not serve. Ralph Reed, did not serve

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Nov 1, 2006 -> 09:49 PM) Oh please. You sound like you are reading from Cindy Shehan's book verbatim. Evilmonkey, have you ever served in the army?

QUOTE(EvilMonkey @ Nov 1, 2006 -> 09:00 PM) Olbermann owes the human race an apology for being such a poor representation of what a man is supposed to be. Tell Bush to apologize to the more than 2,800 soldiers who have died for the senseless war. Tell Bush to apologize to the wives and the children of those soldiers who never again will experience the warmth of a father and a husband presence. Wonder who is the "real" evilmonkey - the chimp?

Bush owes troops an apology, not Kerry Olbermann: Bush ‘appearing to be stupid’ about Kerry’s joke SPECIAL COMMENT By Keith Olbermann Anchor, 'Countdown' Countdown Updated: 7:33 p.m. CT Nov 1, 2006 On the 22nd of May, 1856, as the deteriorating American political system veered toward the edge of the cliff, U.S. Rep. Preston Brooks of South Carolina shuffled into the Senate of this nation, his leg stiff from an old dueling injury, supported by a cane. And he looked for the familiar figure of the prominent senator from Massachusetts, Charles Sumner. Brooks found Sumner at his desk, mailing out copies of a speech he had delivered three days earlier — a speech against slavery. The congressman matter-of-factly raised his walking stick in midair and smashed its metal point across the senator’s head. Congressman Brooks hit his victim repeatedly. Sen. Sumner somehow got to his feet and tried to flee. Brooks chased him and delivered untold blows to Sumner’s head. Even though Sumner lay unconscious and bleeding on the Senate floor, Brooks finally stopped beating him only because his cane finally broke. Others will cite John Brown’s attack on the arsenal at Harper’s Ferry as the exact point after which the Civil War became inevitable. In point of fact, it might have been the moment, not when Brooks broke his cane over the prostrate body of Sen. Sumner — but when voters in Brooks’ district started sending him new canes. Tonight, we almost wonder to whom President Bush will send the next new cane. There is tonight no political division in this country that he and his party will not exploit, nor have not exploited; no anxiety that he and his party will not inflame. There is no line this president has not crossed — nor will not cross — to keep one political party in power. He has spread any and every fear among us in a desperate effort to avoid that which he most fears — some check, some balance against what has become not an imperial, but a unilateral presidency. And now it is evident that it no longer matters to him whether that effort to avoid the judgment of the people is subtle and nuanced or laughably transparent. Sen. John Kerry called him out Monday. He did it two years too late. He had been too cordial — just as Vice President Gore had been too cordial in 2000, just as millions of us have been too cordial ever since. Sen. Kerry, as you well know, spoke at a college in Southern California. With bitter humor he told the students that he had been in Texas the day before, that President Bush used to live in that state, but that now he lives in the state of denial. He said the trip had reminded him about the value of education — that “if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you can get stuck in Iraq.” The senator, in essence, called Mr. Bush stupid. The context was unmistakable: Texas; the state of denial; stuck in Iraq. No interpretation required. And Mr. Bush and his minions responded by appearing to be too stupid to realize that they had been called stupid. They demanded Kerry apologize to the troops in Iraq. And so he now has. That phrase — “appearing to be too stupid” — is used deliberately, Mr. Bush. Because there are only three possibilities here. One, sir, is that you are far more stupid than the worst of your critics have suggested; that you could not follow the construction of a simple sentence; that you could not recognize your own life story when it was deftly summarized; that you could not perceive it was the sad ledger of your presidency that was being recounted. This, of course, compliments you, Mr. Bush, because even those who do not “make the most of it,” who do not “study hard,” who do not “do their homework,” and who do not “make an effort to be smart” might still just be stupid, but honest. No, the first option, sir, is, at best, improbable. You are not honest. The second option is that you and those who work for you deliberately twisted what Sen. Kerry said to fit your political template; that you decided to take advantage of it, to once again pretend that the attacks, solely about your own incompetence, were in fact attacks on the troops or even on the nation itself. The third possibility is, obviously, the nightmare scenario: that the first two options are in some way conflated. That it is both politically convenient for you and personally satisfying to you, to confuse yourself with the country for which, sir, you work. A brief reminder, Mr. Bush: You are not the United States of America. You are merely a politician whose entire legacy will have been a willingness to make anything political; to have, in this case, refused to acknowledge that the insult wasn’t about the troops, and that the insult was not even truly about you either, that the insult, in fact, is you. So now John Kerry has apologized to the troops; apologized for the Republicans’ deliberate distortions. Thus, the president will now begin the apologies he owes our troops, right? This president must apologize to the troops for having suggested, six weeks ago, that the chaos in Iraq, the death and the carnage, the slaughtered Iraqi civilians and the dead American service personnel, will, to history, “look like just a comma.” This president must apologize to the troops because the intelligence he claims led us into Iraq proved to be undeniably and irredeemably wrong. This president must apologize to the troops for having laughed about the failure of that intelligence at a banquet while our troops were in harm’s way. This president must apologize to the troops because the streets of Iraq were not strewn with flowers and its residents did not greet them as liberators. This president must apologize to the troops because his administration ran out of “plan” after barely two months. This president must apologize to the troops for getting 2,815 of them killed. This president must apologize to the troops for getting this country into a war without a clue. And Mr. Bush owes us an apology for this destructive and omnivorous presidency. We will not receive them, of course. This president never apologizes. Not to the troops. Not to the people. Nor will those henchmen who have echoed him. In calling him a “stuffed suit,” Sen. Kerry was wrong about the press secretary. Mr. Snow’s words and conduct, falsely earnest and earnestly false, suggest he is not “stuffed,” he is inflated. And in leaving him out of the equation, Sen. Kerry gave an unwarranted pass to his old friend Sen. John McCain, who should be ashamed of himself tonight. He rolled over and pretended Kerry had said what he obviously had not. Only, the symbolic stick he broke over Kerry’s head came in a context even more disturbing. Mr. McCain demanded the apology while electioneering for a Republican congressional candidate in Illinois. He was speaking of how often he had been to Walter Reed Hospital to see the wounded Iraq veterans, of how “many of them have lost limbs.” He said all this while demanding that the voters of Illinois reject a candidate who is not only a wounded Iraq veteran, but who lost two limbs there, Tammy Duckworth. Support some of the wounded veterans. But bad-mouth the Democratic one. And exploit all the veterans and all the still-serving personnel in a cheap and tawdry political trick to try to bury the truth: that John Kerry said the president had been stupid. And to continue this slander as late as this morning — as biased or gullible or lazy newscasters nodded in sleep-walking assent. Sen. McCain became a front man in a collective lie to break sticks over the heads of Democrats — one of them his friend, another his fellow veteran, legless, for whom he should weep and applaud or at minimum about whom he should stay quiet. That was beneath the senator from Arizona. And it was all because of an imaginary insult to the troops that his party cynically manufactured out of a desperation and a futility as deep as that of Congressman Brooks, when he went hunting for Sen. Sumner. This is our beloved country now as you have redefined it, Mr. Bush. Get a tortured Vietnam veteran to attack a decorated Vietnam veteran in defense of military personnel whom that decorated veteran did not insult. Or, get your henchmen to take advantage of the evil lingering dregs of the fear of miscegenation in Tennessee, in your party’s advertisements against Harold Ford. Or, get the satellites who orbit around you, like Rush Limbaugh, to exploit the illness — and the bipartisanship — of Michael J. Fox. Yes, get someone to make fun of the cripple. Oh, and sir, don’t forget to drag your own wife into it. “It’s always easy,” she said of Mr. Fox’s commercials — and she used this phrase twice — “to manipulate people’s feelings.” Where on earth might the first lady have gotten that idea, Mr. President? From your endless manipulation of people’s feelings about terrorism? “However they put it,” you said Monday of the Democrats, on the subject of Iraq, “their approach comes down to this: The terrorists win, and America loses.” No manipulation of feelings there. No manipulation of the charlatans of your administration into the only truth-tellers. No shocked outrage at the Kerry insult that wasn’t; no subtle smile as the first lady silently sticks the knife in Michael J. Fox’s back; no attempt on the campaign trail to bury the reality that you have already assured that the terrorists are winning. Winning in Iraq, sir. Winning in America, sir. There we have chaos — joint U.S.-Iraqi checkpoints at Sadr City, the base of the radical Shiite militias, and the Americans have been ordered out by the prime minister of Iraq … and our secretary of defense doesn’t even know about it! And here we have deliberate, systematic, institutionalized lying and smearing and terrorizing — a code of deceit that somehow permits a president to say, “If you listen carefully for a Democrat plan for success, they don’t have one.” Permits him to say this while his plan in Iraq has amounted to a twisted version of the advice once offered to Lyndon Johnson about his Iraq, called Vietnam. Instead of “declare victory and get out” we now have “declare victory and stay indefinitely.” And also here — we have institutionalized the terrorizing of the opposition. True domestic terror: Critics of your administration in the media receive letters filled with fake anthrax. Braying newspapers applaud or laugh or reveal details the FBI wished kept quiet, and thus impede or ruin the investigation. A series of reactionary columnists encourages treason charges against a newspaper that published “national security information” that was openly available on the Internet. One radio critic receives a letter threatening the revelation of as much personal information about her as can be obtained and expressing the hope that someone will then shoot her with an AK-47 machine gun. And finally, a critic of an incumbent Republican senator, a critic armed with nothing but words, is attacked by the senator’s supporters and thrown to the floor in full view of television cameras as if someone really did want to re-enact the intent — and the rage — of the day Preston Brooks found Sen. Charles Sumner. Of course, Mr. President, you did none of these things. You instructed no one to mail the fake anthrax, nor undermine the FBI’s case, nor call for the execution of the editors of the New York Times, nor threaten to assassinate Stephanie Miller, nor beat up a man yelling at Sen. George Allen, nor have the first lady knife Michael J. Fox, nor tell John McCain to lie about John Kerry. No, you did not. And the genius of the thing is the same as in King Henry’s rhetorical question about Archbishop Thomas Becket: “Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?” All you have to do, sir, is hand out enough new canes.

QUOTE(AbeFroman @ Nov 1, 2006 -> 05:04 PM) John Kerry sucks at politics. I wish he'd go away (I'm a democrat too) John Kerry does not suck at politics. It's the Republicans and the f***ing corporate media who want you as well as others to think that Kerry sucks as a politician. I just don't get you people. Here we have a decorated veteran who has served his country, and all you Republicans want to do is to de-value his integrity so that you can glorify those who have chickened out of their services at the time when they were called to serve. You all damn know that his botched joke was not intended toward the troops but to criticize the President who did not do his diligent study on the Iraq situation before the invasion and now has led our troops to be in this dangerous situation. Do you guys still remember what Colonel Powell said, "If you break it, you own it?" Well, Bush breaks it, and now instead of owning it, he runs around and blames every f***ing thing on the Democrats. It's just so pathetic to see the President of the United States is such a crying baby. You guys want to talk about blaming the troops for the situation in Iraq, read this: http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=75542 WASHINGTON, Nov. 1 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid released the following statement on House Majority Leader John Boehner's decision to blame the troops for Republican failures in Iraq. "John Boehner ought to be ashamed. He's blaming our troops for failures in Iraq. If he wants to cast blame, he can start by looking in the mirror because he and his Congressional Republican colleagues have rubberstamped the Bush Administration's failed policy for nearly four years. Our troops in Iraq have performed bravely. It's political leaders like Congressman Boehner and Donald Rumsfeld, who have failed. I expect President Bush and Congressional Republicans, who demanded John Kerry apologize, hold their own party's majority leader to a much higher standard. There's no spinning his disparaging comments. He made them. He needs to apologize." --- House Majority Leader John Boehner: Wolf, I understand that, but let's not blame what's happening in Iraq on Rumsfeld. Wolf Blitzer: But he's in charge of the military. House Majority Leader John Boehner: But the fact is the generals on the ground are in charge and he works closely with them and the president. CNN, 11/1/06

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 27, 2006 -> 07:18 AM) If all it took was McCarthy and another prospect, I do that deal in a second. It would be absurd NOT TO!

I am extremely appalled by the negative reaction to our Chicago White Sox team on my favorite White Sox message board. We won the World Series last year, and even if we can not repeat, so what? Not all teams will win it all every year. What make it even worse is the negative reaction is coming from quite a few of our veteran posters! What or who are we? I feel like I am reading BANDWAGONING FANS' posts. Man, I certainly can not believe what I'm reading on this thread!

Now that run really HURT!

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 15, 2006 -> 11:13 PM) Just when you thought you had seen everything in the playbook of the magic 8 ball. Then you see this. 3-2 in the 8th inning and we dont have anyone to pitch to Frank but a contact pitcher who has been strugglign with giving up the dong. Nice job Ozzie. You can quit anyday now. You know SSI71, I do agree with you in this case. Ozzie should never put BMAC in to face Thomas. BMAC has not been good at all!