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I said Hahn would easily get another front office job (since they all seem to end up as special assts even when bad) and caulfield took that as GM and even though he was corrected he never stopped saying it because it lets him make a list of the worst GMs who got a second run.

what if it's part of Getz pitch?

I think part of this is a result of people being around forever. I have been around in my company too, and see a resistance to some ideas that makes sense because of "previous battles" that were lost. But the people advising to "pre-lose" it are almost always not the decision maker. I think for 30 years, 20 years, Hahn and KW "knew" what JR would do, gave themselves a smaller and smaller funnel to operate in, probably re-enforced that some of these new ideas were bad to JR by never advising/pushing harder for a change. Now, JR created two of these scenarios in orgs at a parallel time. Both clearly lost some early battles and then just assumed it's the way things were moving forward. That's partially Jerry's fault, but also KW/Hahn.

The baltimore orioles in the 2010s didn't even bother to use their international allotment in order to save the money. The idea that it was a significantly different kind of org than the sox at the time of that hire is incorrect.

My only counter is no org is more coddled by the CBA than the cardinals. They have the good fortune of a huge fan base, which they don't actively antagonize by losing (I do get this part), but having the budgets they have, plus the additional comp balance draft picks, plus the bigger intl budgets adds quite a boost. But boy, it sure would be nice change of pace to see the white sox org bring up guys that all seem to have plus defensive skills.

i still maintain that the power of position trumps that feeling, and a lot of guys can't time stuff that well. Again...the orioles have a horrible owner. He pulled Elias from the astros and half the astros front office came with him.

This would be good. I find him annoying which means jerry probably would like him.

I expected today to be able to throw around names instead of getting bobby slammed with Dayton Moore. My perfect world is still david stearns. The Brewers in 2015 were in a similar spot to the sox, and then Stearns took over and without ever really tearing things to the studs found competitive baseball constantly, even while overhauling the talent. But he's going to the mets. Mike Fast would be my pick. Former hardball times writer, gets hired by Luhnow and works his way up from Analyst to their director of reseearch. Leaves BEFORE s%*# hits the fan in Houston by choice, then goes to join Alex Anthopolous first as a special assistant to the GM (some teams use this to add interesting talent and perspectives to the org, not just to promote someone who has failed) before taking over as their Director of Baseball Development in 2021. That year the braves won the world series. I'll continue to harp that the Braves are very similar to the sox in a "baseball demographics" sense. They have a fickle fan base, they have had similar budgets. They do not get free draft picks. They are in our same intl slot. Yet they couldn't be more different. They develop pitching. They develop hitting. They find exciting athletes and give thems trong baseball skills. Now I can't imagine a worse demo for JR than "former baseball writer", but maybe this guy can tap into the person who would have hired Jerry Krause, a curmudgeon outsider, and bring him to lead his basketball team.

I already said this but 100% this is just denying he was given any sort of new title...because he already was a consultant on the sox. He moved into the FO this offseason, we already knew that in spring training.

Guys, acquiring perez is probably going to be the best thing they do. I want you to prepare for that statement.

LOL

well, hey, there is this. Not that McGuffy has anything. FWIW I don't think TLR ever left the org so I feel like this will be a quibble over whether he was "brought back"

IMO that looks like an underwear gnomes chart. Yoan Moncada is a 1 year, $29 million problem. The sox becoming a great team are not stopped by that. It's all the rest of the stuff that has not happened and Dayton Moore did not show to be acute at without damn near 8 year head start

I merely thought there were people who still would fit a JR vibe that would still be a big improvement. Pretty reasonable actually.

I can already see the boob tweet "The White Sox are bringing on Dayton Moore as their President of Baseball Operations, who did a fabulous job building the Kansas City juggernaut, and promoting Chris Getz to GM. The team can't believe their luck getting a World Series Winner in Moore, calling it a "game changer"

Yeah, and the infamous "player like Semien" tweet, but I think that was an example of how the KW/Hahn sox had an embarrassing lack of market awareness

I buy that...it's just I don't know who could be talking to Nightengale and he is speaking incredibly confidently. Full of fabulous's and boobisms. If JR thought he could keep that team until pressed, I can see his temper tantrum response to just getting guys that "have resumes" (DAYTON MOORE WON A WORLD SERIES AND YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO SAY HE'S BAD?!?) and are likely to be his best friend still.

Dayton Moore is somehow worse than just hiring Getz. Yes...the 14/15 royals were good. It took FOREVER to build up that team. Then he oversaw just an astonishingly bad rebuild where he recouped nothing of value from his talent and despite top draft budgets, big INTL budgets and room to develop the royals have one of the worst farms in baseball 6 years after the rebuild started. And a team that is worse than the sox. That's amazing...aMAZing to hire someone where you can squint and say "Hahn is probably better"

I wish that was true but Moore is employed by the Rangers right now.

yeah so last night was episode IV a new hope and this is episode V empire strikes back but then it's extremely unsuccessful and the series is canceled before episode VI

I wish I was with you. It seems so insane, but I also thought the TLR stuff was just humoring a friend. I hope to God it ends up being Rizzo. He seems like the best case JR guy. Old school guy, but ran by far the best old school scouting org and his track record in trades is phenomenal.

I really can't get over how pwn3d i am. Literally kept thinking how much an internal hire or moore would be the worst case scenario and it's Moore AND getz. LMAO. 10/10, no notes. Add in that I was pining for someone with a braves background. Truly you couldn't get more cursed monkey paw.

Chris Getz main qualifications are apparently that he had no power and so it's impressive that he wasn't good at what he did have power over. And it's phrased as a positive so yeah.

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This is only true for Chicago teams. Other teams with awful situations routinely show the power of holding only one of thirty highly desired jobs trumps it. The dolphins were a mess and then hire one of the best offensive minds. The orioles were a joke and pull the Houston front office. The Sox are a joke and need to hire a guy who just pulled off the worst rebuild in baseball to replace the guy who pulled off the third worst.