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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 01:08 PM) So maybe that is the analogy I wasn't following. I think of RB's as being late round guys, so when you said that, I thought you meant the same thing for Wideouts. I do agree you can find good wideouts in the late 1st / 2nd round. Obviously, you can hit past that, but most of the better wideouts in this league were higher round picks. I specifically wouldn't spend a top 10 first round pick on them. There are certain pedigrees that I dislike more (guys there just because of speed), and I think Cooper is the type of pedigree i may take a chance on, but overall I'd rather avoid that position or trade down.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 01:07 PM) Eh, FanGraphs has us projected to finish 64-98, which sounds reasonable. You'd have to add 20 wins to that to get us over .500. Even assuming Sale would have had the same season and assuming we wouldn't have tried to replace Avi, I can't get us 20 wins with him, Quintana, and another half season of our bullpen and Todd Frazier. It looks like we'd probably have another 75 win season, which is like the worst possible outcome for a team not sure where to go. I don't know. Depends on if you assume Eaton is injured. Basically 15 WAR between the big 3. So 5 for the rest. If Eaton is injured and you had released Garcia...then you have another 3 that I doubt is replaced correctly. Probably a negative WAR guy.

And thankfully Puerto Rico avoided it, could have been very difficult for them to rebuild.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) I disagree with this. While with elite QB's, you can create QB's, there is something special that elite wideouts have. That said, you don't necessarily correlate the best superbowl teams to those with the best pure wideouts. I.e., megatron was amazing, Lions always sucked though. Even Brandon Marshall...one of best receivers in his era, zero playoffs to show for it. I wanted Amari Cooper badly with that pick...unfortunately Raiders pounced on him before us. White was not an overdraft but clearly it didn't work out in our favor. One thing about wideouts though, I do feel that we see a lot of higher pick wideouts kind of bust / not be that good. Really good wideouts are great to have, but there are plenty of good receivers that drop to the early 2nd round. Obviously you want an AJ Green/Julio Jones draft, but I'd rather either trade down to back half of first and get a wideout if it's a need or take a harder position to find.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 12:46 PM) I figure if they were in go-for it mode, they likely dump Garcia and he doesn't end up breaking out with us. Yeah I think this is right. Fits with the 2014-16 theme of "in trying to improve, we ended up worse"

It just seems to me defensively to be reps. So many throwing errors when he was set on a routine grounder, then double clutches. I just feel like that will become a natural throw. He seems so much more natural on a play where he is running full speed off balance and has to just let instincts get the ball out.

Wow I totally forgot about Eaton. I guess the question is whether we'd bank Eaton's injury. I don't know, We may very well have made playoffs with that bullpen. But yeah, basically we'd need hansen/Collins the next year to try and bolster the roster.

I do pretty much agree that WRs are like rbs and no reason to spend a top 10 on one.

It could be much worse, you could be struggling to get 4 wins and have a hapless overwhelmed coach.

Hmm. So let's think about what the roster would look like. I'm going to say had we still been competing, we'd be seeing C - Same, we'd have gone in with Navarro and ended up with Smith/Narvaez. Maybe Castro is a white sox. 1b - Abreu 2b - Lawrie / Yolmer 3b - Frazier RF - Melky CF - Vet retread that almost certainly is worse than Leury. LF - Avi DH - I wanna say someone like Chris Carter would have been signed. Starters - Sale/Q/Rodon/SHields/MiGo. I'm going to go out and saiy Holland was on our radar, and the other option I'd give you is them signing Jason Hammel RP - Benefit of doubt: Robertson/Jones/Kahnle/Swarzak/Jennings So here's my thing. Let's say injuries stay the same. Here are my assumptions: Lawrie gets reinjured Rodon has his injury Jones has his injury Burdi has injury What does that do? How are we different from last year? Pluses: -Our bullpen is better and we likely saw some of BUrdi pre-injury - RF is better than last year - Positional depth includes players like L Garcia/Y Sanches to provide much better production than last year, while Delmonico would eventually replace Carter - Sale/Q Minuses: - When Rodon comes in injured, we see the issues we already had last year. Fulmer would be up pitching and even though he was good to start year, I think that was AAA smoke and mirrors - Behind Fulmer is ... Holmberg? DO we have a different Rule 5 pick? What's behind that? So what is the pace for 2nd wild card...84 wins? I still don't see, even with Avi's year and Jose's, how our lack of SP depth doesn't take this team down. We'd have very bad MiGo stretches, very abd fulmer stretches and I guess a slightly better offense? Maybe the superb bullpen gets us in, I don't know.

plantar fascitis maybe?

Stay safe zenryan. Praying your property avoids flooding.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 11, 2017 -> 10:07 AM) It's amazing it's only the 6th cycle in team history. The other amazing thing was last week when the Sox went back to back to start the game, it was only the 3rd time ever they did that. I want to know how many cycles actually finish on the triple. Seems like cycle watch always begins when someone has a triple to start the game. Incredible to finish it off with one, especially for a slower big guy.

So I was trying to figure out all of our .300/30/100 players since Magglio used to do it on the regular and landed back up on 2006 stats. 2005 was amazing throughout, but damn if I wouldn't relive the first half of 2006 over and over again if we are picking regular season halfs as a thing. And yeah, first half 2005 and 2000 was also great. But nothing comes close to the feeling of being down 8-0 to the astros or whomever and just knowing we'd come back, and Tadahito Iguchi just decides to singlehandedly do it (we lost). Jose is incredible but also makes me realize how nutso offense was when I was younger.

Greg doesn't actually read anyone else's posts he just assumes the position and rants against it.

Did you ever look up the advanced stats Greg?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 05:39 PM) I wonder if Carson threw 3 good starts in a row would posters still be upset about draft position. I am fairly convinced that most posters would rather be right about Fulmer being a reliever or bust than admit some good starts will go a long way towards changing their minds. I would 100% rather have Carson Fulmer be a decent 4th or 5 starter than have the 2nd over the 3rd pick or 3rd over the 4th. Let's let that hypothetical happen then. Fulmer has been bad for over a year. He's been bad in AAA, he's been bad in the majors. He's been bad as a reliever and starter. I'm really glad he had a good start that featured lots of Ks. But no, I don't expect a lot out of him. Doesn't mean anyone is rooting for his failure to be right. And so that's the reality. Maybe today's start had some incredible change that sets him on a trajectory for success. Or it was just a random good start against a team we are vying for position on. I don't think any Sox players career will be decided by a single game, but I think the white Sox org trajectory very well might.

Yeah may as well move on. Welcome Tanner Gentry

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 04:01 PM) Yup. So frustrating. It's nice to see some of the kids do well. But GMAFB. This game had loss written all over it. What exactly could the Sox have done more as an org to lose this game aside from asking players to throw it?

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Sep 10, 2017 -> 03:11 PM) Leave it to the Chicago teams to let the other teams out tank them. Obvious tankage by SF today. Lame as hell. Obvious tankage? They started their star SP against our guy that had a 7 ERA in AAA.

Can't actually believe that fulmer outdueled Bumgarner.

Just like titans game last year. 2 touchdowns dropped.

Man white hair has not been same this year

I feel bad but damn I do not want to win today. But on the other hand, Yolmer hit a double off bumgarner.

His stuff does indeed look more lively though