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I'd like sox, now that we have time, to bundle talent together and advance them as their teams win, similar to the cards/twins have done previously. I don't know if it works, but we haven't seemed to try it.

It's dope if like me you struggle to find a tropical hat to match with your hawaiian shirt and flower board shorts.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 10:12 AM) Collins, Engel, Michalzewski, and Sanchez should all be able to fill in holes by then. Catcher is the biggest concern right now with none under contract for next year and nothing in the minors that is going to be ready to contribute. Collins, Engel, Michalzewski, and Sanchez None of these are sure things, Engel will be a thrill if he makes it to the big leagues as a starter, let alone impact starter we would not look for improvement on. Sanchez is maybe a backup. Trey is still so young and far to count on for 2018, and Collins we are hoping to be a catcher. If that is your hope it just proves we really really need to change directions. That group there is likely putting us at bottom 5 as a core.

I think what I'm saying is getting 2 top 10 prospects plus a flexible package outside that is a home run. Few times can you get an ace, few times can you get two top ten offensive prospects when you are position player starved. If we really can't get both in a deal, then I'm out. But I don't see us getting any of their ML talent, I wouldn't if I was them.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 09:50 AM) Or you can not get your asking price met, and you have one of the best lefties in baseball until the beginning of the next decade for super cheap. That was in the post. I don't see any possible way with our payroll where it is, farm where it is to get enough depth and offensive impact talent to get us to a top 3 team in the AL. I don't want to trade both Sale AND Quintana, but I've hit the point where having an ace really isn't that exciting on a team that continues to waste all of it's resources for a +4 win effect every year. At that pace we may get to the one game playoffsSale's last year. But that's in a down year. We need more talent and spinning your best assets is the only way I can see out of this. As I've said before, I'm 100% confident trading Quintana or Sale gets us to the playoffs faster than staying the course unless we suddenly have 100 million added to our annual budgets.

I'm just saying, asking for literally all of their top 5 prospects is something no team could do when those top 5 prospects are not only in the top 150 but 3 in the top 30. If you could honestly get Moncada, Benitendi and Kopech in a deal, you make that work, you get some random interesting pieces, but to continue to add devers and what not. Even kopech out of it (he could be huge bullpen piece for them immediately) is still a deal I'd pursue. But to take all of them, would you do that if you were the red sox? I wouldn't. That leaves you so vulnerable to depth issues with no valuable pieces to fill it up with or trade off for.

When I read some of your trade proposals I'm thinking a lot of real estate. We see a moderate piece going for a top 25 prospect and we say "Sale is 10x more valuable than that! We should get 10x the price!" But, similar to real estate, while you might see runs that suddenly see a piece of crap single family home double in price, at the high-end there is usually much more variability. Sure, if a 3 bedroom rehab, your 10 bedroom mansion should get 7x that. But there are very few people that can afford 7x that price, and the negotiation between asking and sale are huge variations. Point is, yeah, Sale IS so much more valuable than Drew Pomeranz. He is so much more valuable than half a year of chapman. But at some point when you are casually throwing around that teams should give up literally their entire stock of talent for 1 player, it just doesn't make sense for them. Boston is attractive because not only does it have the #1 prospect in the game, it has 2 in the top 10 and multiple in the top 100. Saying "we'll take all of it" will just leave you to disappointment here. Either you will feel intensely disappointed with the return or you will continue to see Sale playing for whatever team construction this is. We are taking a risk getting rid of him. We know we can get to watch an Ace pitch every fifth day for 3 more years...it just happesn to be on a team with no easy way to collect all star talent in any of its positions. Or, you can trade that, get 2 impact prospects and a host of lottery tickets, and hope that they can go at a level and improve our development so we can hope that Fisher, Call, Eaton, Anderson, Collins can form a team with you know, ideallly Moncada and Benitendi, and then wild cards on the levels of Zangari, Engel, Adolfo, and the others.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 02:14 AM) I want to remind everybody the final count was 2800 delagates Clinton to 1800 Bernie. In the face of unmistakeable odds, Bernie Sanders did not get blown out. Had he been given a fair shake by the press and by the DNC, you think it wasn't gonna be a draw?? This baby was up for grabs. Bernie Sanders could have been an amazing story. From NOWHERE to president of the United States. 2800 to 1800 ... what do the Hillary apologists say about Bernie's effort? Again, you can't deny the DNC was scheming and everybody in power had to have Hillary as the candidate and STILL Bernie was right there. Here's an article Greg that I'm sure will finally be the article that changes your mind and we can all move on http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/was-th...or-a-landslide/

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Sad beyond words. Just love and peace for your family and Josiah

Several bullpen arms in that back half on the way (finally) after a pretty big dearth the last few years. Clark/Cooper/Danish should provide a nice boost to depth.

Kenny is so good at reassuring us that he will make the wrong decision.

I'd have... Trouble with the Curve.

A for creativity

To be quite honest if we got Moncada, Benitendi and Kopech, I'm fine. Get some interesting young players to round it out.

That St. Louis deal is not the best offer for the white sox but that is the only fan blog post i've seen with legitimate recognition that it should hurt a bit to acquire a player like sale. Bader is a good OF prospect, Wong is probably a 2 WAR player on average, and Wacha is having a down year but in general a 3.5 ERA pitcher. And then the #2 prospect in baseball. That's not the deal I'd want for the sox, but it's at least closer to fair.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 01:51 PM) In 130 IP, he has 4.55 ERA, 1.56 WHIP, 6.7 K/9, and 5.1 BB/9. In comparison, Spencer Adams, who was drafted in the same draft, has a 3.51 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, 7.3 K/9, and a 1.5 BB/9 in 284 IP and is currently in AA. From everything I've seen, not a lot of people regard Spencer Adams as that great of a prospect, so Im not even sure what I would consider Kolek. A guy that throws hard but has no control and despite his velo, doesnt strike out a lot of people? On top of that, he now has health problems? Not that interested. Numbers aren't everything. He had TJ (HS arm, to be expected), and throws consistently high 90s.You get as many of those arms in your system as you can get and hope for the best.

If he threw a temper tantrum that's one thing, but he brought out a knife and destroyed company property. Any time there is any disagreement on what he or the players should do, his responses are so over the top and ridiculous, not following any degree of established pipeline of communication. He could go to his player rep to handle this issue, or his agent, or to hahn in a closed door meeting. But any bit of friction requires immediately causing a scene. It doesn't matter even if he has a point. These actions are so disrespectful to the many employees working to put this team together. He needds to grow up

Praying this afternoon goes well.

Well I guess you don't have Facebook, balta.

So Shaun King, what, like a week after encouraging everyone not to vote for hillary and to make a new political party, is now voting for Hillary.

You think Kolek is an inadequate return? That would be highway robbery.

Dang it. I hate cardinals fans but that was the most reasoned response I've seen.

It would be a bit sad as there has been many dramatic miracle kick returns. But yeah, the act of having these players running back, then turning their bodies to block players coming full speed, has led to a lot of blind side hits and injuries. Fine to change it. Slows the game down too.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 09:14 AM) Has anyone done an analysis of the impact of GOTV efforts versus poll numbers? I'm thinking back to 2012, where Obama had a really well-run GOTV effort with significant data and tech behind it whereas the Romney campaign's Orca project was a complete disaster. This year, story after story has shown how Trump's campaign has little to no data efforts, shuttered state offices, and really no ground game to speak of in many states. Should we "expect" Clinton to overperform the polls based on GOTV disparities? http://ssir.org/increasing_voter_turnout/e..._than_you_think