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Hey, I think there was a thread on this before but my internet is awful so I cant really search through google a ton. I'm leaving for BA tomorrow. Just wondering any great things to do. It's summer there, should I hit up the beach? Or are their beaches like, uh, NY beaches. Most importantly, I'm looking at a hostel that's in the center, that's not always the best idea. Is there a better, more fun neighborhood to reside in? This was all rather rushed since I was told I had 8 days to leave Brazil (I can return once I leave). Was hopin the experts could help me out.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 04:24 PM) He'll be signed by the end of next week. reminds me of the infamous "Torii Hunter will be on the white sox by friday" post

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 10, 2009 -> 02:33 PM) We always do this. There were actually some decent arms out their too this year. we always do this, huh.

QUOTE (BaseballNick @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 03:05 PM) Buster Olney reports the White Sox are indeed shopping Jenks. Good to know. With his potential price tag I don't have my hopes up for a nice haul.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 04:07 PM) There is no accountability in the government anymore. There was a time that if you ran on Platform A but got elected and enacted Platform B, there would have been hell to pay...now it doesn't even matter. People have such short term memories, you can say whatever you want while campaigning and just do whatever you want after you win. when was this time?

it sounds like Y2HH is actually describing pretty accurately what those wonderful founding fathers hoped for in our republic. Two chambers to prevent populist outrage of people screaming what they want, at the expense of what's actually good for them. A lot of people wanted the U.S. currency to move to the silver standard, luckily william jennings bryan didn't win.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 03:14 AM) Do we have the pieces to even make this deal? In talks with LA, they want Billingsley (among others) and in talks with the Yankees it was Hughes/Joba and others. Do we have ANYONE in this entire organization other than Peavy with the stuff that Chad Billingley has? And that's just PART of what the Jays want. I see absolutely nothing here. Yes, people want things. People often don't get the things they want. I believe there is a song about it.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 02:06 AM) I wouldn't want him anywhere near the White Sox. Last year must have been terrifying.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 8, 2009 -> 03:46 PM) His BABIP last year was .223, which is very, very low. You can say I cheated, and that he listed his OPS. But clearly BABIP was used here on its own here for us to infer that Carlos was unlucky last year. This was the post LF responded to.

hahaha, at first I thought your line of thought was going to be that we´d sign the pitchers that throw at us so they can't anymore.

danks also showed up in our 2008 playoffs.

man, the contracts so far don´t seem to be a good sign.

Interesting, but obviously 40 hr 100 rbi is pretty hysterical. Ryan HOward he ain´t. BUT I do like his bat, and like the outside the box thinking.

I'm in brazil. Internet sucks. Luckily I've made a habit of saving before I hit submit. How fun and active sports talk would be if we all just deferred to management! I'm not saying people were right, I'm saying looking at trade threads and saying "look at how stupid people are! Williams is always right!" isn't fair to the context of what is happening. Look at the time lapse, when people are commenting it is in the first hour as details are still being hashed out. None of us are 'on the record', we are having a conversation, and are talking it out as the details emerge. The latter 100 pages of a thread are never as extreme as the first thirty. Yes, they are knee jerk reactions, but these are from pretty knowledgeable fans who are caught in the moment, and in this instance - the offseason- after weeks of talking out possibilities, when action happens you get the "what the hell" moments. And through the course of the thread as stats and reports are brought in, money is dished out, you see pretty reasonable explanations. If the news broke at 10 am, and we had a radio show at 6 pm, you really wouldn't be hearing the outrageous claims in question. Message boards are just a mass conversation, and when breaking news happens it can be chaos. And it's pretty ridiculous to hold that against people right now.

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I would go and say that short of Morel hitting .400 with excellent power there's no reason to move him to AAA by midseason.

QUOTE (Ranger @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 08:08 AM) Eh. I'm not sure that excuses it. They won 90 games in 2006...it's not like they had a terrible year. Disappointing, but not terrible. Regardless of the situation of the team, the trade itself was blasted as being a horrible trade when people clearly didn't know anything about what was going on. They didn't know that Floyd struggled because Philly horribly mishandled him. They didn't know that Garcia's arm was about to fall off and that getting anything at all for him was a steal. They terribly overvalued him in that trade market and many people behaved as if they were absolutely positive the Sox were doing the wrong thing. And up until now, they've gotten a better pitcher in John Danks over McCarthy and, unless something changes, they will prove that they knew what they were doing in trading for him. The point is that sometimes we should concede that we don't know nearly half of what we think we know about player value and player potential, and we shouldn't be so confident in some of our opinions when we usually don't know the whole story about certain players. People were calling for teh Gm to be fired because of that rade alone. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no defense for that. And I don't agree with you at all that the Sox will be hard-pressed to win the Central next year. They will have an excellent chance, and may even be the favorite based on their rotation alone. Every team in the central has an excellent chance to win the central, it's just not good. The fact that we are going to try and do it without fixing serious flaws (BP, Power) means I won't hold my breath that we can overtake the absolute force of dominance that is the twins But as for the Garcia trade, you really aren't giving anyone the benefit of the doubt in terms of context. For one, this is a message board and when breaking news happens, it is straight up knee-jerk, as we often don't know the amount of players and info until hours later, when you start to see consensus. That doesn't mean it makes people's opinions stupid at the time, but we're all aware they are pretty flawed in the beginning. But no one is just going to post "We should wait until we have all info!"... And once again, no, 2006 wasn't a bad year, but the second half was a slow, brutal disappointment. As it ended we realized that a) that '05 rotation we were so excited to keep looked now old and decrepit. B) this was lining up to be a good sellers market for pitchers. And in that off-season, nothing good in terms of improving '07 happened. Nothing. We had probably the worst OF in the history of baseball with Pods in left and Erstad in Center, Crede's back began to show again in the 2nd half, Uribe's 06 was unbearable. And both those broke in 07, and the lineups we had to watch I wouldn't wish on anyone. Andy Gonzalez at SS and Ozuna at 3rd. Jesus. In short, we all knew we were going to be terrible in 07, and we were. And so when you are selling off the pieces of your championship team and all you are getting back is a failed prospect and a marginal prospect, and then trade off your major league ready talent for a good prospect, and nothing is really replenishing your farm in terms of knocking lance broadway out of your top 5 prospects, then you can see what fueled everyone to be really pissed off. Williams has probably gathered himself more leeway now than he had in the 07 off-season because of his ability to execute replenishing the farm on the run in just 2 years and his few excellent trades. But when he has off-seasons like 06 and 08, where we are coming off good teams and all they do is cry poor and don't do anything to win now, it's hard to keep long term perspective, because losing is awful as a baseball fan. It's too long of a season to suck the whole time.

In defense of everyone in that thread, not making the playoffs in 2006 was very depressing, and the off-season that followed was borderline suicidal. 2 years removed from a World Series, we got a project pitcher and a AA pitcher, traded away the pitcher we thought was the future (McCarthy) for no sure thing to start (Danks), signed Erstad. Nothing we did that offseason was loading up to win the division again THAT YEAR. Now, the Floyd/Danks trades obviously worked out well, and that brutal year allowed us to get Beckham. BUt with all of this, it's still pretty discouraging to think we are going to be hardpressed to win a crap division with a damn near 100 mill. payroll and the best rotation in baseball.

Jesus christ, you did? Can you name what fringe ideas I'm talking about? Can you ever figure out anything without them walking you through it, hand in hand, cow-says-moo type s***? Remarkable. Let's look at this "takeover" of healthcare, that is more leftwing than a single payer system for all citizens over 65 and all children. A public option that likely won't make the cut, which is limited to about 1-3 million people. 10 million at best. But it's not likely to get through. On the other hand, they are getting millions and millions of new customers. What a takeover. This is almost as leftist as when the government took over the schools system. This is almost as leftist as when the government started taking 10% of peoples paychecks to save until they were 65. This is almost as leftist using public funds to give to people out of work. This is way more leftist than giving people below the poverty line a monthly check for food and living. I really don't know if the healthcare companies can survive taking on millions of new customers. God knows the banks didn't when the government ushered bunches of money into them. My god, this is exactly what Eugene Debbs would've done. How will the country recover from this leftist takeover. I'm so mad I should threaten to kill the president.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Nov 26, 2009 -> 04:36 PM) There's the first correlation or insinuation. There you go again. You want to act like you're not insinuating Glenn Beck is adding to the death threats, but it's pretty damn veiled. It is mainstream, huh, but you're not throwing conservatives together in one lump? Ok. Make up your mind. Then you put me in the "mainstream" by your circular logic. Then in your last post you say "no I'm not". BS. Fox is a mainstream news network, it is the highest rated cable news network, yes, it is mainstream. That's what is mainstream. That has nothing to do with whether or not the people I'm talking about is mainstream. That's the entire point, kap, and not that hard to figure out from the reading, these fringe ideas are getting mainstream airplay. Is that plain enough for you. I'm reading it over to see if you can misconstrue this, but that seems basic enough. FRINGE IDEAS are getting MAINSTREAM AIRPLAY. And yes, I do think Glenn Beck/Michelle Bachmann/Orly Taits/The churches praying for Obama's death, yes I think all of these are adding to the death threats. I don't think the death threats just spontaneously jumped because it was an odd year.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 12:20 AM) Subjective? That doesnt make any sense at all. How do you make a team appear to be playing with passion? The team either performs or it does not. There is nothing Ozzie can do to make his players do anything while on the field, he puts them in position to succeed and once the first pitch is thrown it is up to them to perform up to their abilities. maybe the can do cartwheels after catches.

though, yes, I don´t think we actually are going to rotate that trash as DH. BUT, i will say recently in offseasons things like jerry owens as CF have been said by KW, and I laughed it off. And then they really didn´t replace CF and we had DeWayne Wise. So I do worry. But yeah, one of these DH´s will be had for cheap.

Haha, if this happened I´d fully support it. Lets have him lead off, too.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Nov 26, 2009 -> 04:24 PM) Yea, I do outright dismiss these lunatic s***bags because the numbers of them are so small they aren't worth talking about. Yet, you're the one that lumps them all into the "conservative base", which is why I point out your fallacies and extreme generalizations. No, I don't. You take what I say, and act like I'm talking about all conservatives. I'm not. I didn't make an extreme generalization in this thread. I didn't even make lie. granted, I thought the guy was murdered, but the point the entire time was that the s*** that Bachmann/Beck/Dobbs/Malkin etc. in terms of conspiracies and inciteful language have come with consequences in the past. But apparently that is WHACKO and I'm saying that all conservatives are racists that want to kill Obama. Just once Kap, I'd like you to meet someone who argues exactly like you. It would be a miracle if the world didn't collapse into itself.

Me. But then again, it's not thanksgiving here.