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QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 07:05 PM) I'm convinced. All polls are accurate! I work for Blue Cross, I have for years, BTW, and I've never heard of CAHPS. Again...what "private insurers" use this? Funny how that's omitted. I love some of the language in there. Used by *virtually* all. Ok, so not all, but some...but which some...we don't actually say. Meh. in my minimal experience of studying public policy, I ran into CAHPS in two of the four papers, albeit they were on medicare/SCHIP. I ran into them in numerous political science journalis, such as publius. It is a government agency. In the publishings, all the data required was published in it. This is the way the world works.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 07:02 PM) Ask me to take a poll for you -- any poll -- ill even turn in all my collected data. But you can't be there when I collect that data. I bet I can show you whatever I want. How are you going to know what I did to get it? You don't. So no, it's not incorrect unless you assume I follow all of your rules, but reality is, I don't have to do so. oh my god. how many examples do you have of a polling agency who took a poll - Published the full poll as all are, with what questions were asked, demographics polled, time of day, answers, non answers, hang ups, etc. - but all of this data was lies. Instead of asking "do you approve of this bill" they actually asked "this bill will kill you and all your loved ones, will you vote for it?". How many examples are there of this? Rasmussen is famous for their somewhat loaded questions, and they still report the questions. THey still report the demographics polled and reasoning behind it.

stealing quote, etc. BACKGROUND: THE OFFICER SAID THE DISPATCH CALLER SAID TWO BLACK MEN WITH BACK PACKS SEEN BREAKING INTO HOME. " 911 OPERATOR: 9-1-1, what is the exact location of your emergency? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Hi, I'm actually at (inaudible) street in Cambridge, the house number is 7 Ware Street. 911 OPERATOR: OK ma'am, your cell phone cut out, what's the address again? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Sorry, it's 7 Ware Street. That's W-A-R-E Street. 911 OPERATOR: The emergency is at 7 Ware Street, right? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Well no, I'm sorry. 17. Some other woman is talking next to me but it's 17, 1-7 Ware Street. 911 OPERATOR: What's the phone number you're calling me from? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I'm calling you from my cell phone number. 911 OPERATOR: All right, tell me exactly what happened? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Um, I don't know what's happening. I just had an older woman standing here and she had noticed two gentlemen trying to get in a house at that number, 17 Ware Street. And they kind of had to barge in and they broke the screen door and they finally got in. When I had looked, I went further, closer to the house a little bit after the gentlemen were already in the house. I noticed two suitcases. So, I'm not sure if this is two individuals who actually work there, I mean, who live there. 911 OPERATOR: You think they might have been breaking in? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I don't know 'cause I have no idea. I just noticed. 911 OPERATOR: So you're saying you think the possibility might have been there? What do you mean by barged in? You mean they kicked the door in? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: No, they were pushing the door in. Like, umm, the screen part of the front door was kind of like cut. 911 OPERATOR: How did they open the door itself with the lock? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: They, I didn't see a key or anything 'cause I was a little bit away from the door. But I did notice that they pushed their (interrupted). 911 OPERATOR: And what do the suitcases have to do with anything? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I don't know, I'm just saying that's what I saw. 911 OPERATOR: Do you know what apartment they broke into? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: No, they're just they first floor. I don't even think that it's an apartment. It's 17 Ware Street. It's a house, it's a yellow house. Number 17. I don't know if they live there and they just had a hard time with their key but I did notice that they kind of used their shoulder to kind of barge in and they got in. I don't know if they had a key or not because I couldn't see from my angle. But, you know, when I looked a little closely that's what I saw. 911 OPERATOR: (inaudible) guy or Hispanic? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Umm. 911 OPERATOR: Are they still in the house? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: They're still in the house, I believe, yeah. 911 OPERATOR: Were they white, black or Hispanic? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Umm, well there were two larger men, one looked kind of Hispanic but I'm not really sure. And the other one entered and I didn't see what he looked like at all. I just saw it from a distance and this older woman was worried thinking someone's breaking in someone's house, they've been barging in. And she interrupted me and that's when I had noticed otherwise I probably wouldn't have noticed it at all, to be honest with you. So, I was just calling 'cause she was a concerned neighbor, I guess. 911 OPERATOR: OK, are you standing outside? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: I'm standing outside, yes. 911 OPERATOR: All right, the police are on the way, you can meet them then they get there. What's your name? FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Yeah, my name is (deleted). 911 OPERATOR: All right, we're on the way. FEMALE WITNESS CALLER: Ok. All right, I guess I'll wait. Thanks."

perhaps the f'n link could add some insight! PERHAPS

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 06:57 PM) This would hold some credibility...if all polls were published ONLY in science journals. They aren't. Last I checked CNN or some various newspaper isn't a science journal under the same scrutiny. Nor are a lot of non science related administrations/sections of business/government, etc. Newspapers publish who did the poll, describe their function and give margin of error. Polling companies give the breakdown of the demographics polled, time of day polled, how they were reached, etc. THis poll didn't come from CNN. CNN and the like do what they specifically say is a non-scientific poll. "We can test that question with data from a set of surveys known as the Consumer Assessment of Healthcare Providers and Systems. CAHPS is an initiative of the Department of Health and Human Services that developed a standardized survey questionnaire used by virtually all health insurance plans -- public and private -- to assess patient satisfaction. Most private insurers use the CAHPS questionnaire and disclose the data to the National Committee for Quality Assurance in order to receive their accreditation. So thanks to CAHPS, we have a massive collection of data comparisons of how patients experience and rate Medicare, Medicaid and private insurance."

Honestly Y2HH what you are claiming right now can be compared to someone saying you can't believe pictures because photoshop exists.

I don't even think Hossa does.

but because something CAN BE MANIPULATED does not mean it IS. That's why science journals have standards for what they publish, that's why margin of error must be reported, that's why the set of questioning used is documented, that's why who is funding IS FORCED TO BE REPORTED.

did you guys read the link? edit: k, so the officer said that he was told two black men with back packs had broken into a house. The transcript of the 911 call came out. Not only did the women say they very well could be the owners of that house, not only did she not say backpacks, but briefcases, but in fact, she never said they were black, one may have been hispanic.

Well, I've been polled, therefore everyone has been polled and polling is great!

I'm guessing your two links fall in the 17%.

plz a tony pena type deal!!!/green

On the graphic there are numbers. Numbers that signify data. Data collected from polling people. People who use the services in question. Healthcare reform has been a topic for half a century, at least, longer in fact. There are senators/governors/states that have been working on a way to fix this for much longer than four months. What is happening now is they are trying to pass it, and having to deal with many people who have only been working on it for four weeks, don't want to see anything change, and are getting money to make sure that happens.

huh. "Stupidly" eh. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_...-call.html#more

I hate when it's so obvious the completely wrong decision is going to be made, and still continues to get made.

tex trying to meet his false equivalency quota

congrats, Soxtalk, you greeted me with a happy birthday before my father!

how long will it be before Marakov is playing for us thou?

I think you have to judge what people mean by "trust" in this poll. Because my immediate reaction to "who do you trust more" is "who do you trust to do their job more?" And by that standard, Stewart would be who I trust most out of that equation. He consistently frames political and social issues in a humorous way. The others put out a rubbish product so watered down it fails to achieve anything on any night for any number of years. But if you take trust to mean, who's word do you trust most, see I just don't buy that interpretation. It also feels easier to know and trust someone like stewart in that audience-anchor relationship because he is self-deprecating and charming, whereas the others feel the need to seem infallible and stoic. And nobody buys that bulls***. That said, Brian Williams has some alright taste in music.

eff fox, i've seen enough cardinals games to go crazy.

well, I'm hungover too. Maybe in a couple hours we'll come back and make sense. The last line had me laughing my ass off, though. I SHOULD KNOW, MY FATHER WAS THE MARKUS WOLF

you guys wanna post your favorite birther comments? "About the CIA lying to Congress since 9/11, and Cheney ordering it: Well, obviously it's Condit & Levy, right? The non-trial going on right now? But! Since Pelosi & Reid ARE traitors, what would you expect the CIA to do, but lie to them. Until...It's time for the Royal Flush. One little rug pulled out from The Big O... His non-eligibility. Of course, if 9/11 had been 2008, as they'd originally planned, the overwhelming emotional surge would have made O the World Dictator1 So... Maybe the Bushs DID make the Trade Towers happen? SO MANY things they've done first & watched them fail, depriving Commies from using same as The Big Power Grab. I should know: My dad was the former Stasi East German General & Communist, Markus Wolf. Nhunk! http:/www.rickhyatt.freeservers.com"

I keep thinking of Pods in CF for the ninth and the visual of his ball-off-head misplay in oakland in 07. Thank goodness it worked out the way it did.

I giggle softly every time I read the title of this thread.

I was feeling sad because I moved out of my house and am currently homeless...but I promise you, white sox fans, I will stay homeless if it means a perfect game every day.