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QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Dec 21, 2009 -> 07:05 AM) I've seriously only heard of maybe 2 of the movies on either list. isn't that a good thing?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 22, 2009 -> 12:08 AM) We do the same thing for ex-Presidents and VPs, including pay for life and protection for life. And I'm fine with that because they are big ambassadors for the country and symbols of our democracy, and more than that, there is only a handful of them around, usually. Speakers of the house...not as big a symbol.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 21, 2009 -> 11:02 PM) All suffered major injury problems. They just decimated the system, and turned the Sox mentality into an extremely conservative one, which set us back a decade in terms of minor league production. Do you remember in 2001 when people were calling for HERM'S head because of all the injuries? It's amazing the lack of injuries our pitching staff has endured with the pairing of Cooper and Schneider. They were a perfect match.

QUOTE (GREEDY @ Dec 21, 2009 -> 10:50 PM) I didn't want to bring in other names to clutter up my original post, but since most of you didn't get it anyways I will try it this way. I like Alex Rios, I would have claimed Alex Rios. I would not have paired him with Juan Pierre. To get the most value out of Rios he needs to play CF, and you need power hitters in both LF and RF. For far less risk, and far less money KW could have Crisp in CF and Matsui in LF, and get rougnly the same offensive production (and most likely better defense, with little to no committment). This sums up my "first reason" for signing Alex Rios. I understand you, greed, what you are saying is the benefit of a player like rios (and now beckham) is they give you power production out of a position that is usually void (CF, 2B), but by putting players like pierre in a traditional power position, or high offensive, position like LF, you negate the positives of having found above average production in CF. I understand that, on the other hand, the argument could be made that because you are getting above average production in CF and 2b, you can put less offensively-talented players - which means cheaper - in those positions. I don't like Pierre, and yeah, i agree that we are wasting an opportunity to have a great outfield since, really, the hardest piece was found, on the other hand I'm not sure I totally agree that you wash out the reason for getting an offensive CF if you don't find a powerhouse LF and RF. That seems unreasonable unless you are NY/BOS. That said, I really wish we would've taken a flyer on Kearns.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 20, 2009 -> 02:20 AM) Jim Thome has 9,463 career plate appearances, and that isn't including spring training, the minor leagues, or even warm up swings. I tend to doubt that about one less than active month (where he was still taking batting practice) is going to freshen him up. I tend to think he's going to put up an .850 OPS or somewhere in the whereabouts if he plays next year, and the only place he is going to play is Chicago. Okay? Thome is at an age where he could see a sudden decline in ability. My point wasn't that with an extra month rest he'd be in 1.000 OPS, rather that perhaps getting a shortened season last year was a good thing in saving up for another full year.

a the 02-04 (maybe not 04, if not for the injuries it's possible we win out) sox were so odd. We had a really great middle of the lineup. We had some good pitching upfront. Usually had some nice bullpen pieces (Marte/Flash), but the odd thing was the last pieces you usually pull together for a team, the fifth starter, catcher, second base were usually so horrendous that it seemed to pull the whole team down with it. But man, if that 03 team could have made it. Ugh. But yeah, how many times did we see us score 12 runs and the next three games get only a few. Wildly inconsistent. And, I was young, I gather, but I remember being really excited for ozzie because in the beginning of 04 we had a couple of 'rally-back' games that were really non-existent under manuel. We won some late inning games, to be sure, but usually when we held on. The come back games didn't really happen. And the first half of 04 before all the injuries, and then the beginning of 05, it was just so fun watching a really energetic team again. Same with first half of 06. I haven't really felt the same of our team since, even with 08.

i suppose this thread existed before I copy pasted into the music thread. I wrote this somewhere else. I already kind of declared this year a success when MPP and Veckatamest exceeded my expectations. It's been so rare this decade for an established band to follow up with a great album that I'm fine with 2 excellent albums and a bunch of crap. That said, I don't think the rest of the year was filled with crap. Go flips and the underwater peeps lineup: 1-2. MPP & Veckatamest 3. embryonic 4. Beach House (it's funny how some bands get trashed on for sounding the same every album, but bands like beach house, I don't ever want to change. Just keep pumping it out.) ...was beach house this year? 4A. Ptarmigan - Our ancient friends - maybe my favorite, no other album could hold a treasure chest of memories the way this one does. 5. Real Estate 6. Raekwon 7. Phoenix 8. Japandroids 9. Wavves 10. Girls 11. Neko Case 12. Ganglians 13. Marissa Nadler. 14. The Thermals 15. Wale 16. Ducktales wilco's album was perhaps the most disappointing piece of crap I've ever listened to. They need to either break up or apologize, or hang nels cline.

QUOTE (Cali @ Dec 21, 2009 -> 07:07 PM) 10. 2006 - Cubs-Sox Brawl 9. 2002 - Crede ties the game with a 2 run shot in the 9th, walk off Grand Slam in the 10th vs. Blue Jays 8. 2000 - 7 in a row on the road vs. Indians and Yankees 7. 2002 - Sox come back against Cubs to win 13-9. Possible first instance of "Paulie" chant before his home run to put Sox on Top 10-8 in the 6th 6. 2008 - Blackout Game 163 5. 2005 - Konerko's Slam 4. 2005 - Podsednik walks off Lidge 3. 2009 - Buehrle's Perfect Game 2. 2005 - Uribe goes into the stands for out two. 1. 2005 - "Chopper, over the head of Jenks, Uribe charges..... Throws.... OUT!" Whole-heartedly endorse this list. One game that's a shame to have a cloud over it for losing, was when Iguchi went nuts with a 3R homer and then a granny to tie it up vs. the 'stros?, a game we ultimately lost. Also C-Lee walking-off the cubs with a granny.

copy/paste I wrote this somewhere else. I already kind of declared this year a success when MPP and Veckatamest exceeded my expectations. It's been so rare this decade for an established band to follow up with a great album that I'm fine with 2 excellent albums and a bunch of crap. That said, I don't think the rest of the year was filled with crap. Go flips and the underwater peeps lineup: 1-2. MPP & Veckatamest 3. embryonic 4. Beach House (it's funny how some bands get trashed on for sounding the same every album, but bands like beach house, I don't ever want to change. Just keep pumping it out.) ...was beach house this year? 4A. Ptarmigan - Our ancient friends - maybe my favorite, no other album could hold a treasure chest of memories the way this one does. 5. Real Estate 6. Raekwon 7. Phoenix 8. Japandroids 9. Wavves 10. Girls 11. Neko Case 12. Ganglians 13. Marissa Nadler. 14. The Thermals 15. Wale 16. Ducktales

2009 Soxtalk Conservative Statue of Liberty Inscription "Keep your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Keep the homeless off our god damned beaches I lift my lamp beside the golden door! (but just so you can see how much better we are)"

another "law" from the "most transparent" "administration" ever sorry I was just seeing how it feels.

Yeah, I was so thrilled for '01, and it felt like everything went wrong. Franks arm rips open, Wells constantly crying about his back, Royce Clayton Lots seemed to go wrong the first half of 01, then we went on a 22-7 tear but just had the typical ought-sox team MO of hanging around .500. 03 was the most disappointing though, by far. Man that one hurt, maybe worse than 06.

like he makes all his s*** up. NSFW oh yeah it's cause it was magnetized and he fell oh and yeah we all started throwing up ohhh yeah.

Balta said it, but again, you can either call the taxes bad idea, or call it unfunded, but you can't say that it's both unfunded and their tax ideas are bad ideas. As balta said, I'm a bigger fan of the cadillac plans because it's a more consistent string of revenue in addition to it being a cost saving measure in itself.

the guy's a liar, terrible writer and an asshole. Figure's he's so popular.

nice post soxAce. As some have said, as piece by piece got signed, I, too, was like "oh it's just a couple million", but as a whole, the $15 or so million now given out is rather disappointing when seeing who it was given to. Putz and Jones, I'm fine with. Vizquel, sure. They seem fine face value, but when you stop there, I don't know. I just don't trust Quentin and Ramirez to duplicate 08, Konerko to even put up even 07, and we're all praying to God Rios can be his 08 self. I thought we'd grab one sure thing in terms of adding some power and OBP, and we've done anything but.

Maybe the rest Thome had in the second half of last season makes me more optimistic he'll be ready for a full year/might improve upon last years projected numbers.

While we don't know what specifically will pass: 1) The senate bill is funded by a tax of "cadillac" health care plans 2) The house bill is a tax on high income brackets.

how is this unfunded? Where were you for the 2003 ACTUALLY unfunded medicaid bill passed by Republicans?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 09:18 PM) I'm at a conference, I've been in talks and poster sessions all morning. Anyway...what's interesting here is that for decades it's been really difficult to image the upwellings under places like Hawaii or Yellowstone that we think are there. But as our data quality improves, we're now suddenly able to see it. THere are still people out there who don't think that what we consider to be Mantle Plumes actually exist because its been so hard to image them. But the seismologists and modelers are starting to get there and its really interesting. In other words you've started using "Tricks" and "lies" to create the images you wanted to see! I want emails!

that's some quality sat-tire right thur.

besides the cost saving measures that do a lot and survived, the most important part of this bill is the major stride it took for making insurance on the individual market more affordable. This is a very big deal. If people are able to afford packages on the individual market more easily, it makes work mobility more possible and the time after Cobra ends less scary. This wasn't possible without mandates, and further, pre-existing conditions really wasn't possible without mandates. You can't usher in a bunch of expensive sick people into the market without everyone feeling the burden, unless you add a whole bunch of healthy people. This is a good bill, it's not a great bill, but it's just the beginning. The fights will not be as hard in the future, this was the most comprehensive it will be. And things like expanding medicare could move in 4 years if Dems stop being whiney crybabies that just appeal to their government through the media to get things done. If you want to know why elitism works for liberals, it's because you just scream that what your doing is right for them without ever going and showing them. Where were the liberals going and working up the people, millions of people, that this would help and showing them instead of letting it get derailed by a bunch of old cranks remembering the non-existent american right-wing utopia. All the s*** we were doing for the election, door to door, phone calls, should have never stopped. But being a progressive is also about enlightening people. They already KNOW what they have right now, they don't know what you offer, and it's easy to taint that with stuff like death panels. This is the devil they don't know. but instead just cry and cry and beat your fists into your keyboards and cry about how you didn't get what clearly wasn't possible and now you are going to sit it out just to show how ANGRY and let the possibility of a more liberal caucus boil away. Yeah, they'll see how angry you are when they lose a bunch of seats, and then have to get them back by promoting conservative members again, and then in 12 or so years when it says 56 dems again you'll be oh yay now get our progress done and then you'll realize you pissed away the chance when you had 55 liberal senators to build upon that.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 04:38 PM) the music critic guys on NPR (I think they're from the Tribune and Sun Times) described her shows and videos as actually bringing some amount of performance art into them instead of the typical dance routines. yeah, not trying to be cute, she brings dada performance art into her shoes. As pop stars go I think she's by far the most interesting. I'd rather someone feign outrageousness than virginity.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 09:12 PM) That's kind of irrelevant to his career in the Senate, but I'm going solely off the asinine statements he makes all the time. Maybe he does that on purpose, I don't know. Whats worse, an actual stupid person, or a smart person who tries to act incredibly stupid and hoaky to fit in with his voters. (Grassley/Cobourne, I'm looking at you) Lieberman appears to be actually stupid. edit: also, both missouri senators are terrible. That state is not capable of producing a thoughtful senator, and house members are rare. Insane that truman came from that state.

kind of shocked at the lack of toby hall. In addition, luis terrero and cintron...really? They weren´t ever really the worst players on the team, let alone that they were so often bench players. Also, if you DO have terrero, Julio Ramirez was so much worse, although stellar at D (and that doesn't seem to matter here), the dude was like 0 for his first 46. Lastly, it really, really has to be Andy Gonzalez. Jeff LIefer was kind of a dick too, always complaining about P.T.