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QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 3, 2008 -> 03:51 AM) Nice job by Greg Walker telling AJ to hit a home run to end the game. I still don't get why he tells them to get hits sometimes but to make outs other times. :lolhitting

Awesome, awesome awesome awesome. Can't wait to see the highlights. I do worry about the A's of course, we tend to be kind of streaky, I'd hate to get them to start one of those bad weeks we sometimes have.

So, first, you didn't address the comments you continued to make about asking us why we weren't condemning all the theatre groups who had never thought about putting on Ragtime over this one who tried and lost... and two, I'm to believe this is the situation they are preventing. They are worried that during the performance outside the bandshell a family could walk by overhear the line that has the n word, in song form - if I recall but lost also confirmed - and the kid too young to understand this overhears. That's a lot of variables there, they have to walk by during this line, understand what was said, and be too young to understand the context. This isn't a Jerry Springer show. If the line was like in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles where Rafael screamed "DAMN" after he lost is weapon. The profanity doesn't drive the dialogue. So, they are preventing hypothetical situations of people walking by during that time out of context and being irreversibly offended. So I can make my reasonable hypotheticals, at a fair like this you have hundreds if not thousands of people and a high population of teenagers. I can make the reasonable assumption that many of them have foul mouths. I'm willing to go ahead and say they will use profanity in ear-range of children, and that is a safe bet. Does that mean they should cancel the entire outdoor festival? And there is no redeemable aspect to the foul-mouthed dialogue, and the explanation can only be to ignore or instruct not to say these words. And another problem I have is you are forcing me to have the argument that because I think shutting down this play because of the situation is wrong, I'm for every play or musical to be put on wherever, whenever, and in the spirit of the arts it shouldn't matter if it's obscene. But I don't believe that. I believe in the criticism for pulling this because I've seen this play and it is not a play that in anyway would be characterized by obscene dialogue. No one would leave this play saying "well, that was dirtier than I anticipated!" And I don't think the themes would be over the heads of many children. I've been aware of, have had discussions, or at least instructions, on race since kindergarten or perhaps pre-school. I don't think ragtime is over the heads of a young audience. I don't think it is targeted to kids, obviously, but it's a great example of the magic and power of theatre to show a child to with their parents. It's a great musical. It's a shame.

damn my last post was the last of the page. Awful placement.

I'm anxious for this game to end since I can't watch it. It sucks not being able to see games. It's much less interactive, it's like simulating a baseball season and hoping you did well.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jul 3, 2008 -> 01:15 AM) Or if it denigrated Christians or America. right, because your one example of that photograph goes to show how all art and theatre is a disgrace

QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 11:10 PM) I'm guessing the Twins are almost always on the overperforming part, so it'd be nice if they tailed off but I'm not going to hold my breath for it. I was just thinking this.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Jul 3, 2008 -> 12:08 AM) How many musicals will be staged by park districts this summer at out door venues in the US? Would you also condemn those theaters that never even considered this work? So applaud those that stage this musical and condemn everyone else. what is this great argument you think you are making? Yes then, there is a difference between starting to stage a musical then stopping because the award winning musical that families can go see "RagTime" has the N word in it. Because another theatre might not choose it for legitimate reasons like staging or cost, not because they are worried about a hypothetical scenario that would be easily explained anyway. If only the play had just excessive violence, then it'd go on without a hitch.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Jul 3, 2008 -> 12:01 AM) Let's assume it is the single greatest musical ever produced in the history of theater. Does ever theater have the responsibility to stage the musical? Again, the same group that looked into it, decided against it. Why are they more wrong then groups that never even considered it? And is every play appropriate for every audience and every venue? What is wrong with deciding that this is not suitable for children and staging something else? do you really think there is a point to these bolded questions when you ask them? What most of us are disappointed in not showing this play, is that they are doing it for a not very convincing reason, to me. And the people of the town are missing out on an opportunity to see a truly great play because of 1 sentence in it. A play that is thought provoking and allows to think about history and culture in different frames. If they switch it out for a different musical that has these qualities, I'm fine with it. BUt if they put on some awful andrew lloyd webber musical they are doing a disservice to the town.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 11:57 PM) It's not, but a respect their right to not stage the play. This was not a case where someone wanted to stage it and was told no. The same group that looked into it, decided against it. Well I respect that they have a right not to stage a play but that doesn't mean I have to compliment them and pat them on their back, tell them this production of High School Musical was wonderful for EVERYONE.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 11:37 PM) I do not believe that every park district that puts on a play needs to follow that same mission statement of enlightening, offending, creating change, etc. I believe there is room for non controversial, family entertainment, and that is what a park district should be involved in. GP rated events that the entire family can enjoy. Believe it or not, there are volumes of plays by Simon, Williams, Shepard, O'Neil, Miller, etc that could be staged. But I've come to accept that around here the consensus is that insulting, offending, is always preferred to something less controversial. what a silly loaded last line. They aren't putting on a musical version of Paul verheoven's Showgirls, this is a fantastic piece of theatre that would be very intellectually stimulating and entertaining for the crowd. And I think some of you underestimate the importance of funding cultural programs.

me too, but whatever uribe we had in 04 and 05 isn't here anymore, so I see no reason to play him as such.

fun recap for those of us who couldn't watch it... http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/media/vide...200807023046424

remember when he swings so hard he falls over?

this is the greatest winner thread I've seen in a while... for those in the game thread... I had to leave, but the greatest bar special of all time was existent, we are talking about the following: Pint of Sierra Shot of Jameson FORRRRRRR 3.50 Unreal, just like the Wsox winner. I missed it, but my brother texted me....awesome awesome awesome.

agh.

QUOTE (FranktheTank35 @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 02:14 AM) Seriously though, hell of a game pitched by both Lee and Danks. What an awesome match up we just witnessed. this should lead sportscenter but we aren't EAST enough.

betancourt? buckle down sox bats. Everyone hates extras.

july 4th on coney Island i'm positive

Come on Sox!!! here's what I want to happen, I want to refresh my page during this bottom half of the inning and see a bunch of "(PLAYER'S NAME)!!!" "I CALLED IT!" "SOO CLUTCH!!" and then I'm off to the bar to get Tony LaRussa'd

Shows how crazy this year has been when Danks v. Lee is the premiere pitchers duel between sox and indians. (era wise and all)

well heck I just want some dingers how bout you all?

haha, I read that as ties a career high with 8.93

this is the craziest game thread to keep up with.

QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 01:14 AM) DJ sez: the definition of pitcher is "well, I can pitch." he's right though!