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you know, to respond, I think that's ridiculous. As far as government regulations, what should he do. He is saying his policies will help everyone, and everyone should have stock in wanting to help everyone. But you know what this does that you are undermining? It starts discussion, and he asked that we foster a real race discussion. The kind Clinton said we should have but never pushed through. Talking about racism honestly and without acting like the other side is out to get you is not counterproductive. The main problems facing blacks and latinos are societal restrictions moreso than governmental ones. It is people that will change this. And, honestly did you read the speech? That's exactly what he asked of everyone.

QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:42 AM) I watched and read his speech, my point was however he needs to do more than this to get us anywhere. People seem to get so excited after he speaks because he wants to do all these wonderful things but he hasnt laid out any reasonable plan to get us there. I cant believe people still use slavery as an excuse. How long until the statute of limitations is up with that. None of us had anything to do with it and this country didnt start it. They mimicked what more established countries were doing and eventually put an end to it. There is such a double standard on these race issues that will never be able to get fixed because of people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. If Obama wants this utopia he has to get rid of things like B.E.T. or Miss Black America becuase those are double standards. If there was a W.E.T. people would s***. If they want to reserve head coaching spots in the NFL than why not reserve spots for white running backs? Im all for ending the racial divide but this speech doesnt do anything to accomplish that. He used smoke and mirrors to sneak past an issue that hurt his campaign and all of a sudden he is MLK. Id like to see what strides he takes to start repairing all the racial tensions in the US. And what's the deal with univision and Telemundo!

well, that's the thing. We all agree, everyone here, and like eachother. However, I feel like you felt we couldn't say there were disadvantages to being black in this country without justifying it with the progress it has come.

Alright, we're getting somewhere. A-dog, is admitting that at one point in time, it was in fact harder for some black people in this country

If you say something enough, people will believe it, right?

you must have missed the "white america" part. and I don't think it's a mistake for Obama to give some context.

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:17 AM) Do you know any history? Slavery existed long before there ever was a 'White America'. It existed in Africa (NOT white), by Africans (also NOT white) and still exists in Africa (because of NON whites). Africa isn't in America.

i feel stupid, but what's that 'hit more 2s than treble 20's' line mean

i think the point was, since the beginning of this countries formation, racism (and i consider slavery such) has been a devisive subject that continually gets put off.

and petreaus over tommy franks. Some have improved some have declined.

QUOTE(thedoctor @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 12:14 AM) obama's entire campaign has been brilliant. when everything started, i didn't think he had a chance. with clinton's connections and experience i thought she'd kick obama's ass up one side of the block and down the other when it came to running a campaign. instead, it's been the opposite, which is the biggest shock of this entire election cycle thus far for me. twice now obama has been able to turn huge potential criticisms into positives. first he spun his lack of washington experience into a positive by championing himself as the change candidate. the message of change has been used many, many times before but it rings hollow when it comes out of the mouth of a washington lifer. now, he's pretty much turned this race issue on its head and looks to be gaining momentum at a critical time. this is really what impresses me. His campaign was a speck in october. He was a first time runner for president, with little national experience, running against one of the, if not the (probably still behind kennedys) name in Democratic politics, with her millions behind her and her name and her ex-prez husband, and him being way behind, and now he's ahead. This could not, absolutely could not, have been done without a perfect campaign. A 50-state strategy isn't always the best, but it was such a good idea, especially with the dems system of splitting delegates. It's one of the reasons why I find Clinton's "I'm the only one who can take on the Republicans" laughable. If you can take on the Clintons, you can take on anyone. and imo, Obama's incredibly fast socialization to the Senate is my reason for not giving a damn about his lack of national policy experience. History of American presidents also tells me that experience is not a great judgment of presidents. And, I mean, it doesn't need to even be said, but Rumsfeld and Cheney had mucho experience, and that whole era sucked.(for me)

http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/politics/20...erend-division/ as to the argument, seems a little dense: He denied ever hearing the 9/11 or "God Damn America" statements. In the speech, he said he's heard controversial statements made. I.e. while denying and condemning those specific statements, he's not pretending he had no idea he had a pastor who has said controversial things, just that he wasn't there for those specific ones. IMO, this is being forthright, because what, in my lifetime experience, a normal politician would do is remove this guy from his campaign, condemn him and act like he had no idea his views.

Ugh, CNN right now. This journalism is why TV sucks, and why a lot of newspaper articles suck. Hey, lets get an angry guy on one side who won't agree with any part of the speech, and one who loves the speech and have them yell at each other.

best speech i've ever heard in my lifetime. *political speech*

QUOTE(BearSox @ Mar 16, 2008 -> 03:21 PM) when the story first came out, Thursday I believe it was, Fox was the only one to show it. CNN didn't do anything on it, and neither did CBS or NBC. Now, they kinda have to do it because it has gotten so big. But it is obvious the majority of the media is in the tank for Obama. Not only on television but also in the newspapers. The Chicago Sun Times, the New York Time, etc. I'm not saying Fox isn't unbiased, because they are in favor of McCain and the Republicans, but at least they will report all the news. Fox's bias for Republicans is nothing compared to the majoirty of the media's bias and love for Obama/Democrats. man the inaccuracies of this post

It is probably somewhere in the middle. I don't know, I just don't put too much stock in this. Pat Robertson has made some pretty outlandish comments and he's been pretty close to the president. Billy Graham has made some outlandish comments and was very important to a number of presidents. This man has obviously helped Obama find faith and understanding. As far as political views, perhaps Obama has taken some to heart, in that he has fought against poverty. But this whole trying to paint him as an unpatriotic, angry black man is silly. Nobody who didn't love this country would enter themselves into the mudslinging contest that is a presidential race. They at the very least wouldn't get far. And at the very least they wouldn't run their campaign on hope running a positive campaign. He doesn't want to shed this guy, so it leads me to believe he is a friend. A close friend. I don't see this being a big deal for me either. Obama hasn't run his campaign highlighting he's black, if anything he's tried to downplay and strived to be a candidate for everyone, he hasn't ignored any states like Clinton (not counting MI and FLA) just because of unfavorable demographics. So I don't think a reminder that yes, he is half-black and shares some views that blacks have been treated poorly by America is such a bad thing.

Obama's such a black radical

I realize speaker's powers have been lessened and lessened, but Pelosi is a pretty weak Speaker.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 14, 2008 -> 12:11 PM) If he hasn't visited prostitutes, how does he know what Spitzer is going through? yeah that's what he was saying

wow, right. A black preacher getting angry about injustices and poverty is on the same lines as the God hates F**s Church? Talk about a stretch.

but more confusing is the pitchers they chose to show struggling. I don't think our plan was to have dewon day up anymore. Wouldn't we be going to Broadway and Egbert next?

the plus side to Obama's "50 state strategy" is he can reclaim states like new hampshire, michigan, iowa, missouri, wyoming that have gone republican. They aren't the sexy FLA and OH delegates, but they add up.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 11, 2008 -> 07:27 PM) I would have loved it if when the Iranian Mini-President would of been confronted by people peforming citizens arrests. Then again the student body was too busy fawning over him. what a load of absolute false bulls***.

right right, the north is all arrogant, poor mannered racists. Forgot.

By the way, NY Post's headline two days ago for this scandal: Ho NO! I hate the paper, love the headlines. (favorite being: "Ike beats Tina to death")