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I can't believe a Beast post contains self-righteous condescending language.

there was an article in the sunday Trib about a guy who printed signs for an alderman, he was saying that candidates who lose elections rarely pay their debts. It was interesting.

I gotta find a bar for this. In Columbia, Mo., the bars that are so reliable for Bears games are unfortunately equally reliable for Cubs, not Sox. Although, funny enough, it's as hard to find a sox game as a royals game here.

Don Imus was awful, I have no qualms about him getting fired even if it's for the wrong reasons. Although, what he got fired for is an example of how bad he was. If you are going to get fired for an offensive joke, at least add that funny factor.

I knew it would be Missouri. Yeah Missouri.

well, stone has certainly made some fantastic movies this decade so I can't wait for this one. green necessary here?

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 08:18 PM) i think its so awesome that Lollapalooza is pretty much only in Chicago now. it's not pretty much only, it is only

it's impactful for me. Richardson was probably the most experience democrat running, and they are going to Obama. And an Obama Richardson ticket I think really can change the delegate map of this country and make it easier for Obama to win even WITHOUT ohio and florida.

that site and the "we love black people" site are hysterical.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Mar 20, 2008 -> 02:50 PM) oh bulls***. She's been saying "I'm more experienced" pre-Iowa. They're just now choosing to focus more on it. I'm talking specifically the foreign policy experience and commander in chief test she made up. When she starts touting a trip she took with Sinbad as FP experience the hammer comes back.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:17 PM) Nice drive by media work. Now that Limbaugh's on board for the Hillary-will-eat-Barack-Obama-up-so-we-don't-have-to-tour, all of a sudden crap starts leaking? What a joke. come on, it doesn't work just like that. The reason all this is coming up her language of Command in Chief threshold and touting her experience within the last week and a half, when that is your main basis, the media will start questioning it.

ugh, this innocence project I'm in now makes me cynical as hell.

Do you realize that Fox News is a 24 hour channel and ABC has a much smaller news cycle? And you didn't "dening" ABC, you didn't mention it at all, someone else had to inform you they scooped it. ABC news scoops it, then other news follows. And everyone followed and played it over and over again. Everyone. Every radio station, every tv station, every newspaper followed it. There are real biases in the news media, but much like in this racial discussion, if you try and exaggerate it as much as you are, the realities get pushed aside, and the large falsity of your claims make it seem like there isn't any problems in media coverage, if this is the type of bias you are seeing. This was over-covered, if anything. It was not slighted by any media outlet.

do you read the Times to even know? Do you watch these channels? MSNBC, CNN, even local news was covering this and HAVE been covering Wright for upwards of a year. Nobody is forcing anybodys hand just cause they have to because of fox's ratings. First you thought only Fox was covering this, then you learned ABC scooped it (also AP had it on our wire's on maybe even Wed. last week) and now you nicely include ABC in covering it.

ahh, had he said triple 20's i'd be all over it.

QUOTE(BearSox @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:55 AM) please list some. Just saying something but then not pointing anything is not a good way to prove a point. Acting like Fox news was the only network that covered Wright is so absurd that I don't need to provide examples, it was the biggest story of the weekend and every network was playing the same soundclip from youtube ad nauseum.

you know, to respond, I think that's ridiculous. As far as government regulations, what should he do. He is saying his policies will help everyone, and everyone should have stock in wanting to help everyone. But you know what this does that you are undermining? It starts discussion, and he asked that we foster a real race discussion. The kind Clinton said we should have but never pushed through. Talking about racism honestly and without acting like the other side is out to get you is not counterproductive. The main problems facing blacks and latinos are societal restrictions moreso than governmental ones. It is people that will change this. And, honestly did you read the speech? That's exactly what he asked of everyone.

QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:42 AM) I watched and read his speech, my point was however he needs to do more than this to get us anywhere. People seem to get so excited after he speaks because he wants to do all these wonderful things but he hasnt laid out any reasonable plan to get us there. I cant believe people still use slavery as an excuse. How long until the statute of limitations is up with that. None of us had anything to do with it and this country didnt start it. They mimicked what more established countries were doing and eventually put an end to it. There is such a double standard on these race issues that will never be able to get fixed because of people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. If Obama wants this utopia he has to get rid of things like B.E.T. or Miss Black America becuase those are double standards. If there was a W.E.T. people would s***. If they want to reserve head coaching spots in the NFL than why not reserve spots for white running backs? Im all for ending the racial divide but this speech doesnt do anything to accomplish that. He used smoke and mirrors to sneak past an issue that hurt his campaign and all of a sudden he is MLK. Id like to see what strides he takes to start repairing all the racial tensions in the US. And what's the deal with univision and Telemundo!

well, that's the thing. We all agree, everyone here, and like eachother. However, I feel like you felt we couldn't say there were disadvantages to being black in this country without justifying it with the progress it has come.

Alright, we're getting somewhere. A-dog, is admitting that at one point in time, it was in fact harder for some black people in this country

If you say something enough, people will believe it, right?

you must have missed the "white america" part. and I don't think it's a mistake for Obama to give some context.

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 03:17 AM) Do you know any history? Slavery existed long before there ever was a 'White America'. It existed in Africa (NOT white), by Africans (also NOT white) and still exists in Africa (because of NON whites). Africa isn't in America.

i feel stupid, but what's that 'hit more 2s than treble 20's' line mean

i think the point was, since the beginning of this countries formation, racism (and i consider slavery such) has been a devisive subject that continually gets put off.