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Sounds like they are dead then.

You can put Harper and machado on this team and it’s not even as good as the 2018 nats. You have a lot of upgrades to make with just your farm

The already producing studs may make money too. What if your bullpen needs to get over the top? Pitching? You limit your flexibility.

The situation Jimenez will be entering is much more favorable. If he hits under .700 OPS his first full year it will be a disaster. If he does it his first month and a half... we’ll just say it’s due to cold. This guy does have high expectations, but he welcomes them.

The specific example of Mike Trout struggling as a 19 year old was used, I took exception to that, I also quoted it. Who cares if Jimenez is not appreciated to the right degree. An .820 OPs is obviously going to be great to watch. But what if it’s .750? I certainly expect more. Not every prospect struggles right away, just ours. Juan Soto and Acuna has .920 Ops as 19 and 20 year olds. It’s fine to expect Jimenez to be good.

Yep that’s what I said!

He was also 3 years younger and only played 1.5 years of MiLB ball, not 5 years like Eloy. Also so what? Take his first 162 and it looks a lot better. This is like a “Jordan was cut from his high school basketball team” thing.

Just remember this is 5-7 AAV higher six years from now. Even if the sox have to give an asset, this is not an untenable position. What puts them in a terrible position is if the bulk of their rebuild doesn't develop, then the one asset they have (manny) will not net much of a return because he is expensive.

The sox have 6 years to find an adequate 3b replacement then that is cheaper, and can trade off manny.

Yep, having to kind of stitch together the conservative and aggressive narratives on their offer. Hopefully only a few more days of that.

One thing that I'm surprised by (and I can't wait to see if we get a full story of this courting) Is I thought the sox would start off bidding with a hard aggressive offer, try and sign quick before other teams and maybe have one counterpunch in them before they tapped out. That worried me. It feels like they actually went with a lower end offer and have just been riding this wave of the teams involved knowing there aren't many bidders (maybe 2) and them playing this prisoners dilemma game where neither wants to nudge each other too much when they can both walk away with a guy. That's all fun and games until a team like the giants or padres becomes serious and the approach may have turned off the player. So ultimately I just hope our initial offer is the passan one. I think teams can justify finding $200 mill for a 26 year old, but I think it does hit a point where it required previous planning around 250 pretty quickly.

No, not at all, I don't know it would be resolved. I just would feel more comfortable if sox had set themselves up with more room against the rest of the market. They may have! Just shooting the breeze since we have had no real info since early december.

This is probably true! I hope sox are sitting at 8 for 250! We have no idea though and if they are truly sitting at a base of 7 for 175 with some swellopt I'd rather they have upped the base. I'd have zero problem with the commitment of 8 for 250 with an opt-out at year 5 that can be triggered if sox don't pick up an option for an additional 2 years 60 million or something like that, and that's a 10 year 310 deal and everyone's happy.

...yes?

I honestly don't get this point. It may not make sense from a roster building standpoint, it may not make sense from an allocation of resources standpoint, but a business standpoint? Was a rebuild a good idea from a "business standpoint"? Was acquiring Joakim Soria's salary to give up less prospects good from a "business standpoint"? Baseball isn't a comparable business. The purpose of most baseball teams is to be as good as possible without losing cash in the short term while building the value of the franchise longterm when we get down to it. Winning can lead to making more money as a franchise but making money as a franchise doesn't lead to winning. It could be a great asset to the chicago white sox to get Manny Machado at the perfect nexus of the markets demand and not a cent more. But that may come at the cost of not getting Manny Machado. Not getting Manny Machado spins them into uncertainty of trying to get a substantial bat in their lineup, getting more certainty you can land him may come at a price worth paying. The sox are not going to lose money on Manny Machado's deal. If that potentially happens they can trade him. There is a spending aspect to this, but the idea that there is just a business formula saying paying more than you need to is more costly than the risk of not getting the player is just nonsense to me.

He may not be signed, but if the sox had a 10 year 327 mill offer on the table for manny there would be 0 doubt that he would sign short term, and no chance for a significant push from a team on the sidelines.

I don't care a lick if the sox bid against themselves.

It's nice to see this. I've been nervous I haven't started one yet but we've had a lot of reworking of savings and incomes with the house and kids and didn't quite feel we were in a place to start it yet.

not much worse than mlb at bat aggregating anything remotely trending on twitter, putting 15 emoticons in the headline and blasting it to everyone's phone notifications.

Heyman tweeted about it, so it may have just brought unneccessary scrutiny.

There is zero chance Alonso is traded before opening day if sox don't sign manny.

Right, and Boston with Kawhi and Houston with Harden. Ideally you build a team like Denver, Utah, Boston with lots of assets and cash them in with enough left over to still have a good team. The bulls constant obssession with Core backs them into a corner where they become skiddish on trading part of "the core" away but also prematurely focusing on complementary players instead of just continuing to add athletic raw players and developing them.

Guys I just saw this post on twitter by a shipps machado that claims he is machado's brother, he says machado's cousin is full of crap.

well manny was 13 in balt and 8 in LA 13+8? 21 Bear with me 138 = 1 + 3 + 8. That's 11. 21-11? 10. What was he in LA again? Oh that's right...EIGHT 10+8 that's 18. And then let's all remember, he was 13 in baltimore. What does 13 start with? uhhhh ONE 18-1? I'll let you do that math. Manny to white sox.

Clearly Manny is buying yonders kids white sox shoes to celebrate manny signing with white sox convince me otherwise.