Rowand44

There's no downside to being 12 games up.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 11:25 PM) Well we have a nice big lead in our division. And you can make mistakes with a 99-100 mph fastball that you cant make with a 53 mph frisbee. If he doesnt walk the world, he can be filthy in a short set. I completely agree but with Bobby's history I'd prefer to take it slower with him, don't want to mess his mind up again, he's got to special of an arm to mess with his head. Now, if Dustin does go down and Bobby proves he can just absolutely dominate then sure give him a shot but that's only if he proves what he can do up here for a while and if Dustin's hurt. Hermy doesn't throw 100 like Bobby but he's blown 1 save and has been absolutely fantastic, he shouldn't lose his job because of an injury.

I'll say this again, if Jose throws like he did today(meaning he has good control) he won't get hit hard very much, he'll be pretty dominating for the most part. Some times you just have to tip your cap to the opposition and this is one of those cases, they hit a pitcher hard that usually doesn't get hit.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 11:17 PM) Reading tomorrow's tribune article, it looks like Jenks might be the closer sooner, rather than later. That's an interesting article. They really love Bobby, there's nothing not to love about his arm, if he throws strikes the way he did he's going to be outstanding. Problem with making him the closer this year is most likely he'll have some growing pains but who the hell knows, stranger things have happened.

QUOTE(KJean @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:43 PM) Thank you! And I have a question, if anyone is still reading this thread. I've noticed that for both yesterday's game (7/18) and tonight's game (7/19) Crede has been batting without any gloves. And as far as I can remember he always uses gloves at bat. Is there any reason for the change? And does this have any effect on his success at bat? Just wondering! Yup, I noticed that too. Maybe he just feels more comfortable at the plate without batting gloves, I'm not sure the reason though.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:55 PM) Rowand stop copying everything I say. Yeah, wtf is going on, everything I'm saying in my posts you're beating me to it.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:52 PM) Over Schilling, Clement, Wells Miller? Schilling hasn't proven he's healthy, Wells isn't very good at this point, ditto Miller. As for Clement his era keeps on going up and up, 2nd time around the league he's going to get hit much harder, I think JC's era will be lower by the end of the season.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:50 PM) Hell yeah. So what's your problem?

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:46 PM) Ok let's see here. On Baltimore he would be. Texas yes. Arizona yes. Almost any team in a pitchers park would have him in their rotation, because he wouldn't give up as many HR's. Just answer this, at the end of last year, if JC had an ERA of just above 4 at this point, would you have taken it? Add Boston in there as well.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:42 PM) It also means that he can develop, and that we probably won't have to sign a closer off the FA market again for quite a while if all goes well. I've said this before but having Bobby, Damaso, Neal, Hermy, Cliff, and now im even happy to have viz back for next year just makes me extremely thrilled, the bullpen is in fantastic shape for this year and next.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:32 PM) Which is unfortunately something that a lot of White Sox fans don't have a great deal of. I'm not going to lie and say it's an easy thing to do but you have to, that's the only way young players are going to learn and get better. Hell, look at Jenks, I love what they're doing with him, he might take a few lumps this year but this learning experience will give him a shot to be a key cog to next years club and he's got a shot to be an absolutely dominate reliever, he's special and you can't give up on him if he gets wild this year or gets hit a bit this year, cause those things probably will happen, doesn't mean he won't be a great reliever some day cause he's got a great shot to be one.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:26 PM) And yet when he came up to the majors he struggled like McCarthy. See the comparison, and the benefits we're seeing with Cotts now? By the way in Neal's very short first stint he had an era of 8.10, bmac 8.14 so basically the same damn thing. Have patience.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:24 PM) And Neal Cotts didn't pitch in AAA ball, he came straight from Birmingham. He has never pitched in Charlotte. Damn aussy beat me to it.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:21 PM) Contrary to Cotts, BMac never had previous AAA success Neal never pitched in aaa, try again.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:17 PM) Comparing him to Gio is totally different. Gio is rated as one of our top pitching prospects. He is succeding in A ball. Gio hasn't pitched in AA, AAA, or Spring Training. Gio seems to be on the same path that Brandon went through. Next year we might have a discussion like this about Gio you never f'n know, what DBAHO is saying is right on, he got through the system so quickly and impressed the hell out of Ozzie, Ozzie wanted him up with the big league club, he's not ready(not overrated) and he struggled for 60 percent of his starts, the end. Let him work out some kinks in the minors and we'll have ourselves one hell of a pitcher within the next year or two.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 10:09 PM) I remember hearing Hawk and Ozzie saying how we had a great 6th starter in McCarthy if someone got hurt. Then, we called him up, and he was clearly not ready. That's a textbook example of being overrated. Or not being ready like you said. Not being ready and being overrated are completely different things.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:44 PM) Like I said, I am not giving up on him. But, he got his chance, in 3 different places and has only been successful when it doesn't count at all, Spring Training. Trade when the value is high. He's had 5 starts in the bigs, 2 very good one's and 3 bad one's. He's shown flashed of how good he can be and he can be very, very good. From a 21 year old pitcher who has his kind of potential and who flew through the system like he did you should expect exactly what we got out of him.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:40 PM) Well, you'd always want there to be zero better in baseball. Every single piece counts (which you know, I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything), and I believe that Schmidt would make our rotation better. The best possible scenario, IMO, is to keep Contreras and lose Duque for Contreras. I've been pro schmidt since I saw him pitch a few weeks ago, however giving up Contreras isn't a very good idea and someone please answer my question honestly there may be 1 or better number 4 starters in baseball at this point but to tell you the truth I don't know if I'd take any teams 4th starter over the Count.

QUOTE(Big Hurtin @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:33 PM) I'll just say this, for all the people who say he's fine and a good number 4 starter, fine. Playoff winning teams do not have "number 4" starters. If he's still in the rotation come October, this team won't win anything. It's all about the ring, beating out Minnesota isn't enough IMO. Name a team in baseball with a better number 4 starter??? You might be able to think of a few, maybe.

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:13 PM) ewww. the pizza is just so bland. I can get better pizza anywhere near my house, you gotta go w/ the dogs/brats and the park. You won't find a better one anywhere I absolutely love Connie's pizza. You're the first person I've ever heard bash it. You need better taste in pizza, GOSH

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:21 PM) Is anyone watching the Twins' game? Stupid gameday is frozen or something. Twins just tied it.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:16 PM) El Duque doesn't have long AB's. Is this a joke?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:09 PM) And who blew that for him. The offense. When? After he was taken out of the game. You're argument overall is just dumb, I don't really know how to say it any different. The Duke works just as slow if not slower then Contreras, throws a ton of pitches like Jose yet has had tons of run support, so explain that one to me, Einstein.

My 11.75 meal everytime I go, two pieces of Connie's pizza and a large coke. No wonder I'm so poor