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QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 09:04 PM) You cant argue against 11 wins.... He could definitely have a few more.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:58 PM) Thanks Rowand, now you just gave them another place to start arguing. I was thinking about that when I made this and thought maybe it wasn't such a great idea but just had to get it out there.

Since there are a lot of people in the game thread b****ing about him I'd thought I'd start this thread. Yes, he didn't pitch a good game tonight but he threw strikes. Jose today was getting ahead of hitters for the most part and he just got beat by Detroits hitters. He got hit hard today but he didn't beat himself. You will rarely see Jose give up a lot of runs when he's throwing strikes, this is probably the first game all year when he's pitched bad that the opposition beat him and he didn't beat himself. Basically what I'm trying to say is I'm not worried about this outing but rather kind of encouraged, this is two straight outings where he's had great control, if he throws strikes like he has the past two games he'll be a very good starting pitcher for us the rest of the year. Just wanted to get that out in the open and see how everyone else feels or I should say everyone who hasn't given up on JC yet.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:43 PM) I don't understand how the Tigers don't have a better record this year. They have good pitching and solid hitting and pretty good defense. It makes no sense. They don't get big hits when they need them. Individually their hitters have been up good numbers, as a whole, not so much.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:40 PM) Uuuum, no. This is not wrapped up yet. As you can clearly see, it is July 19th. Look at what the Astros did last year after adding Beltran. All I'm going to say is your credibility has really went down after all these Contreras posts and I mean a lot.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 08:15 PM) Right now, I am honestly willing to trade Count, BMac, and Shingo for 1 1/2 seasons of Jason Schmidt....as long as we getr this piece of s*** Contreras out of this f***ing city. :headshake :headshake :headshake

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 11:31 AM) Ross Gload is not an everyday 1B for a good ML baseball team. Nobody knows this for sure, all Ross has done in his professional career is hit. He plays a great defensive 1st base and he can run for a first baseman as well. Personally I think Ross would do a fine job as an everday first baseman but I will say I highly doubt that he ever gets a shot.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 01:08 PM) Excellent points by many in this thread, I agree with Yas re: the need for a lefthanded rbi guy but the dilemna is valid ... where would you play him? The White Sox already have a very good lefthanded rbi guy in Carl Everett and it's tough enough to get him at bats. That's one reason why Gload isn't here, because Ozzie thinks Dye can play 1B once every two weeks, and that gets Everett's bat in the lineup. Everett is arguably as good a bat as you could get on the market right now, without giving up players from your 25 man roster. To me, the biggest weakness is still a pesky bat off the bench who can fill in at multiple positions and preferably add another dimension. Good call on Carl. If he was playing everday he'd drive in 100 this year imo. It'd be nice to get another left handed producer in the lineup but we don't necessarily need one, the Marlins did win in 03 without one so it's not vital.

QUOTE(upnorthsox @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 03:16 PM) This sure does setup for the Meuller trade. Not necessarily, Graff's going to be there everday 2nd baseman for now because Bellhorn's injured.

QUOTE(S720 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 05:20 AM) Kinda sad to see Shingo go. Here's an excerpt of a Suntimes article regarding the departure of Shingo. Let's see what Iguchi said: "He was a teammate to me, and he was like my older brother,'' Iguchi said through an interpreter. ''And whenever I had a problem, something I didn't know or didn't understand about being new here, Takatsu was always there to help me out. He was like my friend. ''No, there was no talk of this. I would have liked it if me and Shingo could have gotten a championship together. It was more comfortable to be here with Shingo around. It's definitely a certain feeling of lonesomeness not having him here.'' This is what I have been afraid of. I wonder how Iguchi will react to this on the field? He said it won't effect him and I doubt it does. Gooch is just a pro, he did his normal today getting scott over when he needed to. I'm sure Iguchi will miss Shingo a bit in the clubhouse but once he gets onto the field he'll be fine. I'm not worried about Tad at all.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 03:46 AM) Those stats are good, but he has struggled a little at home at Citizens a lot more than he's pitched away this season, just a factor to consider if he's going to pitch at the Cell, considering most of our pitchers have much better road ERA's than home ERA's in the past 2 years. But I'm just nit-picking. Not nit-picking those are good points. I honestly just think Wagner is such a shutdown reliever and I'd love to have the guy. Trust me that's no shot at Hermy at all and I have a ton of faith in the guy but Wags is a top 3-5 closer in baseball imo and Dustin could be the setup man which he would have no problem with, you deepen the bullpen and wow that bullpen would definitely be stacked, once again this is all jmo. Hope it happens and then we can discuss it more.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 03:41 AM) The thing is, Wagner hasn't exaclty been lights out as a closer this season, plus he's out of contract at the end of the season, and he's said he could even retire. A lot of question marks to consider if someone's going to trade for him. 2.13 era, 20 for 22 in save opps, he's been pretty dominate and he's just so damn good. I agree with your other points though, there are things to consider but if you can get Billy Wagner you have to do it, he's just to good to pass up imo, if he's available of course.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 03:36 AM) Is it just me, or would people prefer to trade for a lefty LOOGY or a good setup guy, before giving up a lot more for a closer like Billy Wagner? I'd take Wags. He's just such a dominate closer but I understand what you're sayingl. By the way we don't NEED Billy Wagner though I'd love to have him.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 10:11 PM) I don't know why, maybe it's habit, but I still look at the Twins score every night. As do I, it's a nice comfortable lead at this moment but until that magic number hits 0 nothing is done, I want that lead to continue to grow and grow and then grow some more.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 01:56 AM) He sure didn't handle pitching in NY very well. Weaver's a headcase(duh) honestly I'm shocked he never turned out to be a very good pitcher, I know I for sure thought he was going to be a special pitcher, he just didn't have it all together upstairs.

QUOTE(YahtzeeSox @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 01:06 AM) I don't do the wave but I don't see why everyone hates it so much. It's actually a pretty cool thing to see a bunch of organisms working in conjunction with each other to make a "wave" move across the stadium. Everyone hates it because you're trying to watch the game and people are jumping up in front of you.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 19, 2005 -> 12:26 AM) Can someone who thinks that this is such a lopsided deal for Hendry and the Cubs tell me why exactly...? I could see one thinking it being in favor of the Cubs, but by no means is it a 'steal'. I wouldn't call it lopsided I just personally think highly of Gerut and not so highly of Dubois, that's just based on watching them play not minor league numbers.

Weaver and the Sox don't have the best relationship I doubt he comes here. Interestingly enough Gammons mentioned if someone would take Odalis's contract he'd be available, if Odalis is healthy his contract is very fair, Kenny should look into that.

I hate the f***in wave. EDIT: The wave should honestly be banned from baseball games, it's annoying as hell when you're trying to watch the game and idiots in front of you are doing the damn wave.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 10:55 PM) I'm sorry but the Sox should pray that Shingo clears waivers. This was such a f***ing stupid move. WTF! HE HAD A BAD GAME AGAINST A TEAM THAT OWNS HIM! He had been improving steadily. Jenks is not an upgrade over Shingo no matter how much you want to thinks so. Ok, Ok, we got it.

Happy bday cheat.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 10:24 PM) Shouldn't we be happy that the Indians (the team in our division) got the worst of the trade rather than the Cubs (in the other league). It's like Prior ending up on the Cubs instead of the Twins in the draft. We should be glad that we don't have to face Prior in a Twins uni. Honestly, I don't think Dubois is going to help the Indians down the road and Gerut for whatever reason had a great rookie year, had a tough sophomore year and hasn't been given a shot again.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 10:33 PM) For anyone who went to the game tonight... please, talk about Joe. I was there, and I just want others to not think that I'm overreacting. He was awesome tonight -- awesome. And I'm not even talking about what he did at the plate. He had some real tough in-between bounces, and he made 'em look easy. On the DP he turned with Iguchi, that ball was a rocket, and again -- made it look like a piece of cake. I was so impressed by Joe tonight... He makes very tough plays look routine all the time. He's an awesome 3rd baseman, period.

QUOTE(Wolverine31 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 09:07 PM) And Alan Trammell shows why he's the worst manager in the major leagues tonight. Who the heck leaves a reliever in to give up 3 homers in 1/3 of an inning when you are up three runs. I wouldn't want this clown managing my little league team. He's the reason why this team loses so many games they easily could have won.

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 09:59 PM) Am I dreaming? You're dreaming because we're 33 games over .500 not 32.