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QUOTE(3E8 @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 07:39 PM) Lance Broadway sighting For those of us who can't watch, let us know how awful he looks.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 07:31 PM) you couldn't be more right... he was once in N'Sync, his break, and so people can't get over it. he's putting out music, especially the album Future Sex Love Sounds, that rival the King of Pop but cross more genres. It's straight good. People are entitled to their own opinion, but what he said rings true. Timberlake won't get a fair shake with many on this board bc he is Justin Timberlake. In my opinion, the music is awesome, his performance was awesome... so entertaining... those who love music and the many different things that go into making music should seemingly enjoy watching this performance. If you haven't seen it, turn it on in its HD greatness next time it runs. I don't get it, people like different types of music, just because someone isn't a fan of his music doesn't mean he's not getting a fair shake.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 07:32 PM) I still don't understand how a "fan" would encourage losing because of some crapshoot draft. Success in the MLB draft results a s***LOAD more in scouting and the philosophy of the minor league system over something as silly as a draft position in a 60+round draft. Hell, these days most of the great MLB players aren't even drafted. Cause losing is the best thing for this organization right now. Winning doesn't do crap for this team, it's not that hard to figure it out really. Crapshoot or not, like Kalapse said, if we get the number 1 pick, we get the best player in the draft(at least in our minds). That's the best thing possible for this franchise right now, winning games right now doesn't do us anything.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 05:35 PM) A small part of me wants the White Sox to skip a true number one talent because of Boras. Wouldn't that be hilarious? No.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 04:21 PM) Hell, just in a 4 year span the #1 overall pick produced possibly the greatest offensive 3B the game has ever seen (Jones does have the highest OPS for a 3B , though I'm sure Schmidt would get the majority of the votes) and quite possibly the best player to every play the game. I've honestly never realized just how great Chipper has been until the past few weeks. Obviously he's been a very good player through out his career, I just didn't realize he was this good.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 04:07 PM) I barely watched either game so I didn't really have any feelings either way but I suppose the loss made me feel better than the win since the loss can only help this team in the long run and the win will do absolutely nothing. Having the #1 pick would allow for the Sox to take their guy, they can draft the player who they feel is the absolute best player in the draft. If there's someone that a scout or KW has fallen in love with and they think he's the balls then they can take him, no one can stop them. Picking up an extra meanings 7 wins at the end of a miserable season and pushing the draft pick back to #8 would only limit the White Sox's draft flexibility. Flexibility can only be a good thing IMO. I couldn't care less about past top 3-5 picks, the Sox having the ability to take their guy, someone who people feel is the most talented player in the draft sounds pretty damn good to me. The 1 pick has also produced two of the most talented players ever in recent memory. Not that I'm comparing Alvarez or anyone in this draft to Jr. or Arod but you get a shot at a real special talent with the 1 pick.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 03:17 PM) The tribe gave Wedge and extension during a bad year and he has a worse record than ozzie does. Does that mean they continue to make horrible personnel decisions as well? In fact this is only Wedge's second season over .500 in 5 years. Well you missed the point. Not to mention comparing the Indians at that time to the Sox now is apples and oranges.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 03:13 PM) Yeah, they should probably fire him and hire someone else. this team would have been 100-62 without Ozzie I don't blame this season on Ozzie at all. I do believe he is a horrible manager though. Plus, you always see teams give their manager an extension when they're in a battle for the worst record in baseball.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 03:11 PM) Did I read that right? Yup "White Sox organization continues to make awful decisions."

Oh yay.

QUOTE(michelangelosmonkey @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 02:56 PM) Come on. I used a ten year period. If you want to use an eleven year period...fine. They got Joe Mauer. So they were so bad that they drafted top ten for 8 of 11 years and added Joe Mauer with those high picks. I don't WANT to be horrible for 8 years so I can add one very good player. My point was, and remains if you add Joe Mauer, top 10 picks in the ML draft assure nothing. And winning meaningless games still feels good. See getting the top pick in the draft can help this franchise improve big time in a few years, much more than winning these meaningless games can. Nobody wants to continue to be awful but this season is shot so winning means absolutely nothing. Pedro Alvarez for instance can be that franchise player, that special talent that this franchise is obviously lacking. There's a chance that he could be our Arod or our Griffey or our Mauer who were all number 1 picks by the way. He's a type of talent that doesn't come around very often and he can be a member of the White Sox, I'll take that over wins that do nothing for the franchise.

QUOTE(michelangelosmonkey @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 02:39 PM) Winning is always a good thing. Rooting to lose so we move up a spot because we're terrible just has not proven to be a great stategy (in baseball). Everyone loves the Twins here...and the twins were horrible in the 90's and here's there top ten drafting: Year Overall pick PLayer 1991 3 David Mccarty 1994 8 Todd Walker 1996 2 Travis Lee 1997 9 Michael Cuddyer 1998 6 Ryan Mills 1999 5 BJ Garbe 2000 2 Adam Johnson That's 7 top ten picks in ten years...and the best is Cuddyer who's a RF with a career .790 OPS? It's SO unknowable...that I would rather have the brief happiness and hope of going into the off season with a 18-6 last 24. Go ahead and look at our last 4 top 10 picks. We pretty much haven't selected a good player with our first pick since those years until Fields a few years back. I still don't understand how people could get satisfaction out of winning meaningless games. I guess that's the part I'm missing here.

Michigan falls out of the coaches poll.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 12:58 PM) So as I was rolling around in bed last night in my 85 degree (at least -- it's probably closer to 90) dorm room, I was thinking that Kenny Williams has to do something extremely drastic this winter to 'save' the Sox. And the one thing I kept coming back to was trading Konerko. After this season, Konerko is on board for three years, $36 million (I believe that's correct). He's going to be coming off of his 4th straight 30+ homer season (three more to go this year), yet I have a hunch that this year might be the first of Konerko's slow decline (he turns 32 in March). I tend to believe that Konerko's perceived value (30 HR - 100 RBI guy, veteran presence, proven playoff guy, clubhouse leader) is greater than his "on-field" value (for example -- Konerko leads Casey Kotchman in HRs by about 18 yet still trails Kotch in OPS+. I also tend to believe people overrate Konerko's defense -- he can pick 'em out of the dirt as well as anyone, but his range is non-existant and isn't going to get better). Off the top of my head, both LA teams and Baltimore are in need of a first baseman. There's a couple other teams out there as well (Texas, New York) who could feasibly put in a bid, but I think the former three make more sense. I've said plenty of times that my ideal scenario would be a trade with Anahiem where we're getting Kotchman and another player in return (Figgins? Willits? Santana?), but I also believe you could work it out with the Dodgers or the Orioles (for a package centered around Furcal or Tejada -- that would even out salaries for 2008). Kenny needs to go back to being the guy that was made fun of in Moneyball -- the GM who is willing to go out on a limb. I guess to a certain extent he did that this past winter, but I think he needs to trade Konerko, Contreras and Garland for the best available packages. I know the problem with dealing Konerko is that it's automatically going to be taken as "the Sox are officially rebuilding." But I don't think it has to be that way. If by chance you got that Kotchman and Figgins for Konerko deal, it would allow you to go after Hunter/Jones/Rowand. From there, I'd look to find my SS of next season (and hopefully beyond) in Garland's or Contreras' return. That would leave you with a lineup of (this needs some tinkering, BTW): C - Pierzynski 1B - Kotchman 2B - Richar/Figgins 3B - Crede/Figgins SS - ______________ DH - Thome LF - Fields/Figgins CF - Hunter/Jones/Rowand (If it were up to me, A-Jones) RF - Dye Comparing this offense to the 2007 offense, you are improved at three spots (LF, CF, SS) -- you're probably improved at 3B and 2B. The dropoff in production at first-base is minimal. A lot still rests on how healthy Dye and Thome can stay, but I don't see anything that can rectify that in the next couple months. Very well thought out. Love the idea.

QUOTE(The Critic @ Sep 4, 2007 -> 12:42 AM) Timberlake is a talented guy whose music I hate. That's about as "fair and balanced" as I can make it. That.

Hope you had a good one, SSI71.

This season is an embarrasment already, winning meaningless games doesn't change that. Winning games at this point does absolutely nothing for this organization, losing on the other hand could. I want the first pick, I want this team to lose right now.

Really Clemson fans?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 3, 2007 -> 05:41 PM) The best answer to your question can be found in this post at SSS -- it's a quote from Coop: So it's going to be a giant clusterf*** to October 1st, as Jon Stewart might put it. Ya, jeez. Thanks for that sir.

Anyone know if Gavin is going to make another start this season? You'd think he'd at least earn one more start after his quality outing last time.

The Cubs really are a bad team.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 3, 2007 -> 04:28 PM) Furcal makes the most sense for this club. He fills the hole at SS without losing much defensively, he is fine fit for the lead-off spot, and with his 08 salary, combined with Hu looking to be ready for the Dodgers, he shouldn't cost a ton. I still believe a solid September from Contreras, combined with a C+ level prospect could land Furcal this off-season. I'd love to get Furcal but I have to disagree about Contreras landing him. Not a chance, imo. I still have no problem with Eckstein being this teams ss next season.

QUOTE(SnB @ Sep 3, 2007 -> 10:56 AM) that's pretty much what i weigh..... QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Sep 3, 2007 -> 11:07 AM) We should start a club Ya, well you two are skinny as all hell as well.

Boo.

QUOTE(IlliniKrush @ Sep 1, 2007 -> 10:03 PM) That makes 2 pools God damn it. I'm a f***in moron.