Rowand44

I'd much rather keep Lummy than Fields to be honest. Sweeney is a guy I do want to keep but I have no problem trading Josh if the price is right. Still, imo this is just Kenny trying to drive up the price of his players.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:49 PM) Dude, nobody is above becoming a drug addict. BAhahahaha, solid.

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:41 PM) Please enlighten me. Was there a rather infamous thread on this already? Ha ya, don't worry about. You weren't around when the thread made it's debut but it's probably one of the more famous threads in this site's history. "The Rise and Decline of Mark Buehrle," or something along those lines. I believe it was in early 04 and Mark was struggling and a thread pretty similar to this, about all the innings he's pitched early in his career and so on. That thread lived forever and seemingly got bumped everytime he pitched poorly that season.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:39 PM) IIRC, Mark has said that he feels really good. I'd buy the dead arm theory if it looked like his stuff wasn't there. He seems to be throwing about the same as always, the only difference is teams have been real agressive against him all while he's left his pitches up. He fixes his command and makes an adjustment or two and he should be golden to be the Buerhle we've all came to expect. Everything is just up with him. Every time he throws his change up right now, it's up and away to righties and way out of the zone. Buehrle will be fine, he's really the least of my worries.

Uh oh. This thread looks very familiar.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:29 PM) Boston doesn't seem to use it as much and I wasn't aware of the Yanks using it. But ya, Depodesta used it sucessfully, but it doesn't hurt when you have Ortiz and Manny in the middle of that lineup and at the time a pair of aces like Schilling and Pedro. Depodesta huh? I can argue this stuff all night but I'll agree with Sabr and just let it be because I've had these arguments way too often.

QUOTE(SABR Sox @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:17 PM) He was simply unlucky at the beginning of the season. His BABIP was crazy high, now its starting to go down a bit, as a result so are his H/9 and ERA. Good stretch here Jon. That's because he was getting smoked at the beginning of the season, it wasn't bad luck.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 10:12 PM) I could see the hate since he was a suckfest early on, but really if this year had gone according to plan with the staff, Jon is our 5 starter, or maybe our 4 ahead of Vasquez. He's paid a lot, but it costs a lot of pitching right now, even a good 4 guy like Garland. He's overpaid, but all pitching worth a damn (and some not worth a damn) is. I could see why people were hating on Garland, however most (a few exceptions, like yourself) simply refuse to give him credit, even when he is pitching well. To be honest, I'm not one of those fans who's freaking out about his contract. I think he'll be worth it(in the current market) when all is set and done. There are also the people who feel we have way to much money spent on our starters and Jon is obviously part of that. For me, Kenny could use all of the teams money on pitching and I'd be perfectly happy. I was just letting you know the reason that I believe Jon has been more hated on than most players by Sox fans, though Freddy does seem to have become the new whipping boy for now.

The reason Garland received all of the criticism is because he had one really good year, signed a big contract and then goes and starts off the year poorly. Buehrle has been a number 1-2 starter for us year in and year out, Freddy has proven himself to be a real good pitcher in his career and as for Javy he was actually having a real solid season until basically his last 5 starts and he also has had more than one real good season in his career(in the national league though). Jon has a great year after many average years, signs a big contract and just comes out of the gate pitching horrible. When that happens you're going to alienate some fans.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 09:52 PM) It means that right now, Jon is our 2nd best starter Tis the truth.

He's got a big head.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 09:26 PM) Isn't Coffey the closer? There is no way the Reds are about to deal there closer plus there only legit front line pitching prospect for a guy like Garcia. It wouldn't be a bad move for the Sox but they wouldn't be getting much to help them this year, unless they were planning on spinning Coffey and/or Bailye to another team to fill a need. I can't see us matching up with the Reds. Guardado has been closing since he got traded there. Definitely agree with this. Both teams are looking for pitching help and I just don't see anything even plausible to work out with the Reds.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 09:16 PM) Another thing I'd like to see is the team look a bit more at guys arms. They go the safe route a lot, and I dno't have a problem with that, but I'd also like to see some guys with high ceiling arms. Of course thats easier said than done since I realize those type of arms don't grow on trees and usually they are high level picks. I think as of late, the Sox have drafted some guys who are safer picks because they'll probably get through the minors quickly and they're value will be higher, quicker. With the way Kenny does things, I do believe that is one reason they go with the "safe" pick. Maybe I'm completely off, but it does seem to make a bit of sense.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 16, 2006 -> 08:50 PM) By Justin Udany After getting swept by the Yankees and seeing their wild card lead dip to three games, the Sox will head into Comerica Park for a battle with first place Detroit. The Sox come into this series facing their biggest divisional deficit of the year at 4.5 games and they really need a strong showing to get things going back on the right track. Luckily for the Sox, they have their two hottest starting pitchers at the moment pitching in this series, in Jon Garland and Jose Contreras. Read More... One more win and we prove this moron wrong...

Jon f***in Garland

lol Matt.

QUOTE(bbmom @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 08:16 PM) The youngest replaces the youngest. Rodriguez had just turned 22 in July. Schnurstein also just turned 22 in July. Welcome.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 08:15 PM) Who was assigned to wipe the cobwebs off of McCarthy? What do you think Tracey was called up for?

Mac in.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 08:09 PM) Garland stepped up like a man tonight. I don't think his pitch count is that high so he could be coming out for the 8th, but either way great start for Jon. 1 down in the top of the 8th as AJ grounds out to 1st. He's over 100. It's so nice to see him get going though. I have plenty of faith in Jon and JC right now, and Mark will get things back on track. IMO the key to the rest of this season, is the guy on the mound tomorrow.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 08:05 PM) Rowand would have gotten that. Yes, I would have.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 07:56 PM) Good thing you aren't the ump. If I was the ump, I call that a grandslam. Like I said though, on 2nd look it was definitely a homer. My eyes deceived me.

I thought that hit the wall. On 2nd look, good call. w00t

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jul 18, 2006 -> 07:53 PM) Jason Grilli everyone. Woah, he's almost as skinny as bmac.

Now we're in trouble....