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Also, remember that one of the big reasons Kenny pulled the trigger for Javy is the fact that he was signed passed 06 and at the time we only had 3 starters including Mac signed for 07. With JC and Garland signing extensions it makes it much easier for Kenny to pull a trade with Javy and that might answer your question about why Kenny would go after Javy so hard and then trade him just a half a season later, iamshack.

Who cares.

QUOTE(FlaCWS @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 07:26 AM) Sorry about that. I should've looked there first... although the gist of my post is that the Sox are the top two sports stories in the NY media. No problem at all since the Count story is in there anyways. Just letting you know if you want to read other people's opinions about all of this.

QUOTE(FlaCWS @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 06:55 AM) Top story is Mets talking to Sox about Vazquez or Garcia (please let it be Javy) and second story is about the Yanks' letting Contreras get away: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/index.html Incidentally, this is not a second guess, but I was concerned during the offseason about the relievers we let go (Marte, Vizcaino) and now I'm not surprised that we're looking to trade a starter because we need relievers. Personally I'd hate to see Garcia go. And although I'd say Javy has been a mild disappointment, there is no way in HELL I'd trade him for Tom Gordon (Philly is another possible trade partner mentioned in the article). There is a link to the Javy rumors already in trade winds but I'll keep this in here because of the Contreras article. As far as the Vaz rumors, it's interesting that they put that Philly would trade Flash here for Javy(obviously I'd like a bit more) but Gordon definitely is a stud and would take our pen from being solid to absolutely awesome. Also, in one move you upgrade the pen and the rotation imo because I do believe Bmac would be our 3rd best starter right now.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 06:16 AM) If the sox are willing to trade Javy or Freddy for top notch bullpen help, they probably will be able to get the best deal possible, whoever the trade partner is. I just don't see Houston as a great trading partner for one of our sp's. Their rotation is just very solid 1-5 and I don't think they're going to use some of their better trading chips to add another starter when they have much bigger problems. Like I said though, I could be wrong.

We'll probably get a good idea of how next year is going to shape up when the trade deadline passes or at least a bit of a better idea than we have right now.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 06:07 AM) If these reports are true [which they probably are, as it's easy to confirm publicly the sox are calling clubs and saying what players are available], the sox can shop for the best deal. Either Javy or Freddy would be the best available SP this yr. for any team that needs help in the rotation I agree. I just don't see Houston trying to upgrade their rotation though. They still need more offense and if they're going to trade someone with good value like a Burke or a Qualls then I think it would be for some more offense. QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 06:11 AM) If these reports are true [which they probably are, as it's easy to confirm publicly the sox are calling clubs and saying what players are available], the sox can shop for the best deal. Either Javy or Freddy would be the best available SP this yr. for any team that needs help in the rotation But Pettite and the other 2 SP's besides Oswalt and Clemens all have ERA's over 5.00. Better SP helps the offense. And strong pitching is Houston's M.O. With Clemens probably done after this yr, they'd also have Vazquez for two more yrs after this yr. Bucholz has also started to pitch very, very well as of late and at least to me he is a pretty impressive pitcher. Like I said, I just don't see them trading for starting pitching but obviously I could be wrong.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 06:04 AM) Another fit for Rob Machowiak, San Diego. Vinny Castilla currently has a .582 OPS and his would be replacement Mark Bellhorn only has a .701 OPS with a .199 BA. The price? How bout a reliever like Scott Cassidy? Just got demoted to AAA despite having a 2.79 ERA with a 42/17 K/BB ratio. This is only his 3rd full season in the majors as well which helps arbitration / contract wise.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 06:02 AM) Which makes a Houston deal for Burke and Qualls more sensible True, but Houston doesn't need starting pitching help the way the Mets do.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 05:58 AM) Ok so the N.Y Daily News is onto it; So that would be Sanchez and / or Heilman I am assuming (like I said earlier). If something like that happens, Kenny stole my idea. Trading for top notch relief help and putting McCarthy into the rotation. See, this gm stuff ain't that hard.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 05:02 AM) Could be interesting for him down there. The Padres are making some changes with their bullpen with Cassidy (go after him KW) demoted to AAA despite having an ERA of around 2.82 IIRC. uh oh, dbaho is caught up on a player.

GONG

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 12:44 AM) Someone, anyone, tell me what to look forward to? October.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 06:31 PM) This might not be too bad of a deal if it were Vazquez for Rowand straight up... I mean yes AROW is struggling but we all know he is capable of getting hot... and lets face is Vazquez has hardly any value because of that awful contract he has... If we can get AROW, dump Vazquez, and not have to pay any of his contract then I take that deal in a second. However we'd have to make a seperate trade for bullpen help... and no deal on Mack...

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 05:59 PM) Wow, Cashman is desperate. Ponson is going to get destroyed in the AL. Ya think?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 05:58 PM) Me likey, I've always had a soft spot for Chris Burke. The guy is only 26 I believe and plays all 3 outfield positions plus middle infield. He'd be incredibly valuable off the bench as a 4th OF and right handed pinch hitter which is something we don't have. I win.

QUOTE(RibbieRubarb @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 05:55 PM) My question is why? http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7057/news Well he's played some centerfield and he's that right handed outfield bat we could use off the bench. Burke also has some good potential and could became a very nice player. I wouldn't mind picking up Burke at all if the price is right but obviously we have more pressing needs.

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QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 05:11 PM) Wouldn't DYe have tagged up? I thought Dye had tagged up and than saw Gload at 3rd base and had to go backwards. So Dye would have been on 3rd with less than 2 outs for Cintron. No. It actually was the other way around. Gload went to tag up and saw Dye barreling down on him and then got off the base because other wise there was a shot that Dye would have passed him up. After the ball got caught, Dye had to hussle back to 2nd other wise he would have been doubled up and should have been doubled up because he didn't re-tag 3rd as he went back to 2nd.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 04:46 PM) i suck at life Correct.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 04:28 PM) As for Damaso Marte being garbage, he has a 3.17 ERA. Clearly you don't mean to suggest that he has been the recipient of an otherworldly number of good relievers cleaning up for him for the past FIVE YEARS, including this year, in which he has a 2.97 ERA. Idiot or not, Damaso has a damn good arm. He has a good arm but he does suck now and he would have got his ass handed to him in Chicago. Also, consider the fact that Ozzie was afraid to use him in Chicago because he got booed like no other, there was no way we could keep him around. He was fantastic in his first two years here and decent his 3rd year but last year he was just horrendous. That was a very productive trade considering we got one of the better bench players around plus Thornton>>>>>>>>>>>>Damaso, Neal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Damaso.

QUOTE(chitownsportsfan @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 03:06 PM) It might not be fair, but when a historically oppressed group makes a prejudiced remark, it just doesn't carry the same weight as if an Anglo-Saxon made it. I'm fine with that. Which is completely dumb considering none of us had anything to do with them being oppressed. Whatever, part of this thread should probably be moved to the fillibuster if we're going to keep this discussion going.

QUOTE(Sonik22 @ Jul 13, 2006 -> 04:13 PM) I was just thinking that the mets look to be huge buyers this deadline with their bad pitching. With Pedro injured for now this team cannot rely on jose lima for long. Sure they will make it to the postseason but you need pitching to win, and im sure they would take vazquez if they took el duque. The only problem is the Sox would have to eat some of his contract. Does anyone else think this situation is plausible? Also what prospects do you think we could get in return? We're not trading Javy for prospects.

OH NOS!!!!!!!!!!!

Very solid.