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QUOTE(valponick @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 05:29 PM) I disagree, the numbers of an "ace" and a #5 shouldn't be so similar. Difference in era is more than a full run. Oh, and another thing....Buehrle has a brain. EDIT: And if we're talking about their careers, Mark's era is over a half run better when he's been pitching the AL his whole career and Javy has been pitching in the NL for most of his.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 05:29 PM) How about Ryan Sweeney and Javy Vazquez for Tom Gordon and Aaron Rowand? How about Aaron stays in Phili.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 05:32 PM) Didn't widger go yard against RJ last year? I'm desperate to feel good about him playing tonight. ozuna looked awful at the plate last weekend. hope that was just a glitch...and not a return to form. Yes he did, on a fastball at his eyes.

QUOTE(Benchwarmerjim @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 03:24 PM) one bad outing and he is a fluke? and the Twins record against Central teams is brutal He was just being sarcastic.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 03:14 PM) The funny thing is is that Wright wasn't even that huge of a prospect. Oh yes he was.

Probably Lummy in 08.

QUOTE(Contreras @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:35 AM) Lots of SBs does not a leadoff hitter make. Look at Kevin Youkilis. It's all about the OBP. Iguchi at leadoff wouldn't be a significant downgrade from Podsednik. Neither would Milledge version 2007, in all likelihood. Eh, I'm not getting into this argument now. I'll stick with the thread and just say that as talented as Milledge is, for right now Flash is more important...obviously.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:31 AM) How would our team look to you in 2007 with Lastings Milledge starting in LF instead of Scott Podsednik? Pretty odd with out a leadoff hitter. Milledge is one hell of a talent but Flash would definitely be more of a boost to this team than Lastings.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:25 AM) I'm shocked that Garcia' stock has hit rock bottom amongst fans. It hasn't hit rock bottom as he can still bring in some decent value. That being said, he isn't going to bring in one of the best hitting prospects in baseball. It's just not happening.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:19 AM) If the Mets really coveted him, he would have been traded to them in the offseason. I don't know about that, the Dbacks got a pretty damn good return for Javy. QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:20 AM) If the Mets thought they could change Victor Zambrano into a prize, they certainly think the same about Freddy Garcia? No? Different gm.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:15 AM) I'd rather have either of the two out of the pen than Gordon... Wow. :headshake

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:05 AM) And somehow in a similar situation last year, McCarthy was inches away from being shipped to the Marlns. Thats baseball. The White Sox couldn't rely on Hernandez in the fifth slot, needed some offense aswell, and almost got rid of there best prospect because of it. Thankfully they did not, but Omar Minaya's track record isn't as lucky, ala: June 27, 2002: Traded by the Cleveland Indians with Tim Drew to the Montreal Expos for Lee Stevens, Brandon Phillips, Cliff Lee, and Grady Sizemore. I like how you won't believe the Milledge stuff that you read but you believe that Bmac was inches away from being shipped to Florida.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:11 AM) I'm sniffing a deal with Philly... Freddy and something for Flash and Crash No Aaron. He needs to stay in Phili.

QUOTE(G&T @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:07 AM) The Sox response to the trade rumors involving Gordon is that "they won't respond to every trade rumor"...which IMO is a bit different than their usual "No, we won't do that." That's usually an indication that something is afoot. This is reported by the Score. Or maybe I'm just reading too much into it. Ya, that's shady.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 11:06 AM) I understand BMac is better than Armas. But if Armas could eat some innings, it would save Bmac the trouble of stretching out, possibly getting hurt. And the sox would still need another bullpen arm who could go 2 innings at a time during crunch time if Bmac goes to the rotation. I really don't think it would take that long for Bmac to get stretched out. He just piched 4 innings 5 days and you give him about 2 starts in aaa and he should be ready to go. I don't want Tony Armas starting for the Sox when he's just going to get completely rocked. Anyways, the point of this trade would be to obviously get bullpen help but to also allow Brandon to start.

QUOTE(Greg Hibbard @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:56 AM) Isn't part of Vazquez' 2007 salary also covered? Also, Podsednik will be given his walking papers, IMO. Yes. Pods will have to be traded if he's not on the 07 squad as he still has a year or two of arbitration left.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:59 AM) I thought both Garcia and Vazquez would be leaving. My impression of what Kenny is trying to do is trade for two bullpen arms. If something happens, it'll be for one or the other..not both.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:55 AM) The real key to this is who would be our 5th starter? Brandon McCarthy.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:50 AM) rowands point is why does it matter? does it really bother you that much? I never understood why people care what idiot sportswriters think. It has absolutley nothing to do with what happens on the field so what's the point of even paying attention? Anywho, I'm kind of surprised that people who care about the media so much are even Sox fans to begin with.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:46 AM) Well then he's going to go into the playoffs with a battered Pedro Martinez, an old Tom Glavine, and barely anyone else behind him. It's not like the Mets are in a position of power here. The White Sox are. You saw what the Reds did yesterday to acquire needs, the Mets and Omar Minaya certainly will do the same. I'm sure Kenny will try to get Lastings if at all possible but it's not possible. It's been said numerous times that Milledge isn't going anywhere and he especially isn't going to be traded for a pitcher who has been very average this season.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:43 AM) I agree. Getting a 5th SP like Tony Armas Jr would allow the sox to keep Bmac right in the bullpen until 2007 as well. Why mess with Bmac if getting Armas wouldn't cost that much [probably expendable guys like Haeger, Phillips]? Bmac>>>>>>>>>>>>Armas. Armas would get rocked here, no thanks.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:42 AM) Omar Minaya wouldn't do that trade. Correct.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 14, 2006 -> 10:38 AM) I hope everybody learns to hate the White Sox as much as they hate the Yankees. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This Garcia/Vaz to the Mets definitely seems to have some validity to it.

Pinnage. Lets extend this wildcard lead.