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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 01:14 PM) You really need to research the definition of Hearsay. A witness statement is by definition not "hearsay". The way you just used it, the officer's testimony is "hearsay". Most of the statements put out there are hearsay since they didnt actually witness the event. I understand the definition.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 01:07 PM) You can tell that just from a news article on the study and without even looking at the methodology section of the actual paper? That's pretty amazing. How did you determine that 80k was a laughable number for a survey, though? From a pure statistics standpoint, that's a huge sample size. The ACLU has its own report specifically on marijuana usage and arrest rates highlighting this problem. Yep, the same way you determined it was legitimate. The outlier of native americans is a huge point to the issues with the study. Regardless I hope you find your peace on this topic, its clear you are super involved emotionally. And have a good thanksgiving all, I have to go clean my house for 25 people coming tomorrow, ugh

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 01:04 PM) And considering where this conversation has gone and the level of evidence presented in the Grand Jury, there absolutely seems to be reason to be. I think all police shootings should be examined very deeply, I am not sure if an actual public trial is the solution but there has to be investigation in general into everything surrounding it. In this case I havent seen anything other than heresay that would be used as evidence against the officer.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 12:57 PM) You know, it's really a shame we don't have some system in this country for evaluating the veracity of competing claims and evidence when it comes to determining the guilt or innocence of a person after a shooting like this. You know, maybe where 2 opposing sides present their version of a story and some group of impartial people evaluates those 2 presentations. We should've written that into the constitution or something. We're just stuck debating it on message boards because of that failure. And yet when that happens the losing side still claim bias. First step is to determine if there is even a reason to waste time and money to debate those statement or conflicting evidence.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 12:43 PM) Oh I'm sure it happens, but not to any great degree in 2014. And I'd bet that black cops do it just as much as white cops. Not to mention the racism against those cops when the driver claims to be pulled over only because they were a minority instead of what they actually did. Racism exists no matter what color you are.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 12:30 PM) 80k is actually a huge sample size. I'm glad you've been able to determine that this research was "horribly conducted" though. Regardless, this isn't the only study that has found drug usage rates for black people to be equal or lower than white people, and incarceration rates are undeniably hugely different. Yes I can determine that. I spent a majority of my undergrad and post grad work doing research or examining research. This was half assed and is probably a huge outlier.

I dont think anyone has grounds of accusing folks of not having an open mind on the subject at this point in the thread.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 12:15 PM) Research http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/stud...gs-than-blacks/ LOL, nothing like a 4% difference when surveying less than 80k kids who volunteered responses. The category "drugs" is comical. Native Americans apparently get the most favorable treatment from police. Horribly conducted research is what you should have posted.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 11:47 AM) Possibly, but I'm speaking as a trend nationally. Yes. For example, black people are actually less likely than white people to use drugs but face prosecution and incarceration for drug use at much higher levels. Based on what?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) Many of these things are made worse by poverty and then quickly compound, as the article points out. Getting pulled over because you can't afford to fix a broken tail light or a cracked windshield but you still need the car to drive to work is a "poverty violation." There's also the documented statistical difference in how frequently black people are pulled over for minor infractions versus white people. This also applies to being too poor to be in an area regardless of color, as that happened to my wife and I once. Is that documented evidence only for that area? Do they also count how many white people vs black people actually have committed minor infractions overall regardless of arrest?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 10:54 AM) Oh, so she broke the law and got tickets like everyone else does. How terrible! I'd agree with a more general "municipalities profit from people" argument. I've been saying that for years. Municipalities profit from all people, most importantly the ones who actually PAY the tickets.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 10:43 AM) Looking at this topic from a historical perspective, why would you expect it? I dont get the question. Are you saying the police will be racist against a defendant who is black when the victim was also black?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 10:43 AM) That didn't answer my question, though. Is there really a lack of policing and prosecution in majority black communities like you originally claimed? Every time black people get upset with what they perceive as a case of racial injustice, someone will inevitably bring up "black-on-black crime!" as if that argument hasn't been addressed a thousand times before and if there aren't a bunch of people working every day dedicated to that issue, protests/marches about it, etc. They bring it up because its a much larger issue than homicides by the police and largely all the fault for both the crimes and lack of cooperation in policing the streets falls on the people who live there.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 10:21 AM) There's a lack of policing and prosecution in predominately black communities? Yes, there is a lack of accountability, and cooperation in the communities where overwhelmingly a majority of crimes are committed. We live in Chicago, where there has been 155 homicides since Michael Brown was killed and 74% of those were black males, 29 were teenagers. Of those homicides 5 were committed by the CPD in case we were still outraged at the police killing people.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 10:09 AM) Wrong. I was disappointed with the Zimmerman verdict and don't think his series of actions should be legal, but I wasn't 'pissed off about it' and think it's more a problem of what is actually legal. I don't have a conspiracy that Wilson was a cold-blooded murderer or that Brown was saintly or innocent. Wilson was panicked and, I think, unjustifiable killed an unarmed black kid. Pro-police and anti-black institutional bias combined from the start to make Brown look as bad as possible while making Wilson look as good as possible. I don't know that there's an endemic of "white cops killing black kids," and if there is, my position would be a lot more nuanced than "because racism." But that really does reiterate that, for whatever reason, you just don't get why people (be they dopes on SoxTalk or people in Ferguson/around the country) are upset and lose faith with the justice system. You should write a summary on that and leave it as your post as its literally the only thing you continue to push. If I am wrong and it's more of an indictment on the system as a whole I think looking at the lack of prosecution of criminals for black on black crime would be something you should put your energy into as well as its MUCH more frequent than this particular instance.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 09:21 AM) Sadly Bulls fans can see the future and it looks like one where Rose is not part of it. What happens after resting for three weeks? He gets all healthy and lasts the rest of the season and then can lead the team through a grueling playoff run..... Its November. If this is still happening a year from now then it's time to declare his career is what it is. If you want to declare it over now then yes, you must be able to see the future.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 08:19 AM) fun fact from this 'investigation:' nobody bothered to get an official statement from Wilson on his version of events for at least a month after the shooting, giving him plenty of time to craft his story around everything that was publicly reported (plus whatever was leaked to him). Even with all of that prep time and advantage, he still came up with an at times fantastical story that the prosecution didn't bother to question at all. Thats not what they said on ABC last night. They said he gave a statement to the supervisor on scene and then debriefed at the station.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 08:20 AM) You could give him 3 months and it will still be the same story. Sadly, not all Bulls fans have come to grips yet that this is the "new" Derrick Rose. Fragile, good player when he plays, but unreliable and no longer a superstar. I have said it before but this is our modern day Penny Hardaway. Yes. Sadly not all Bulls fans can see the future like you can.

Just sit for three weeks regardless of the fan pressure to play. It's a long season.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 12:07 AM) It seems like the National Guard presence as really made a difference. A lot better tonight, why weren't they out there from the beginning is beyond me A lot of the trouble makers already stole what they wanted.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 02:43 PM) It was a comment on where the stereotyping originally came from. Stereotyping black people as dumb animals didn't die out before you were born. Hell, The Bell Curve, which argued that blacks were genetically dumber, was published and widely debated in the 1990's. Yes and there are sects of people who make dumb s*** up about all kinds of races and creeds, doesnt mean its legitimate or recognized.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 02:32 PM) there's a long and well-documented history of this being done explicitly. hell, they were literally treated as beasts of burden for about a quarter of a millennium on this continent. saying that black people have often been portrayed as unintelligent simpletons and brutes bordering on animalistic behavior isn't some sort of crazy leftwing theory. None of us were alive back then, s*** my family wasnt even ON this continent. I find no connection to what was done back then. My family came from a very notorious area in Germany and I do not have ingrained hatred or biases toward jews based on what some idiots did before I was born.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 02:19 PM) That's not exactly downplaying the racial stereotyping linked with calling a bunch of black people animals, though, because that's just another racist stereotype. Just to be clear because I can't think of a way to rephrase that sentence, I'm not saying you're racist or what you just said was racist but pointing out the racial subtext behind calling a bunch of black people animals. Like I said before, I hear kids, athletes, teenagers etc called animals. I find zero racial stereotype with it whatsoever.

Watch the videos of store owners talk about their business being ruined. Awful.

QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 12:46 PM) Everytime black people get screwed like they did yesterday and do the stuff they did, they get called animals for acting entirely human, animals don't loot and riot, doesn't make sense to me to call them animals. Why not call them idiots, morons, dumbasses? Animals? Really? I covered this pages ago. It's based on the perceived lack of the higher cognitive ability to know the difference between right and wrong and the ability to restrain ourselves.