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It's not a valid deal as there was to he renegotitstions without fans. The union wouldn't renegotiate a deal to make it "economically feasible." However, the owners are going to honor that deal as well and institute their number of games.

No the players are dug in too. There are refusing to negotiate any further. They both are. Whether you agree or disagree with either stance neither is negotiating.

Correct. They are all just digging in. Although there will he baseball this season. This is just the owners stalling to get the days down to where there set number of games us all that is possible. I think stalling to the end of the month should do it.

As they get started, we'll see. Soccer is probably close to baseball in contact. Lacrosse has far more contact than baseball. Although Lacrosse is doing it similar to basketball with a tournament all in one spot.

I guess the womens soccer league and premier lacrosse league in the US aren't good examples either.

I think Germany was similar to the US and they just started or are getting ready to start the Bundesliege. Maybe that will be a little more acurrate.

ok. I thought the sox were bad with 20 parking next to the stadium. Guess not.

Other sports leagues around the world are opening up as well as the women's soccer league here. It will be interesting to see the results of those.

Got it. I thought he meant the Sox. In Boston it doesn't surprise me. There is no parking around there. Its a true premium.

No kidding. Everything has to be a dichotomy. There is either one side or the other. No one want to try to work towards the middle and come to an agreement. One side is always right, one side is always wrong.

Really? With the season tickets its 16. I didnt realize we got that much of a discount.

Agreed. This supersedes baseball games. The MLB and the union continue to drag the sport down.

Could be. I thought there were stories years ago that JR pushed the family that way due to the difficulties of the MLB. I could be wrong though I'm old and my memories are going.

It's because in the MLB they don't until the sell the team. It's much more expensive to run an MLB compared to the NBA or NFL. I cant say anything about the Bulls because I havent looked into that. My guess is that NBA teams make much more as JR said as much when he reportedly told his kids to keep the Bulls shares but sell the Sox ones dues to the differences on the sports. The fact that his kid is involved in the Bulls front office but not the Sox lends credence to this.

As you should. I did that to someone a few days ago. As i tell my students, always question it because I do misspeak often (or in this case mistype).

See regardless of what the owners say or open the books they will not believed. People will always go to the "fake books" They could say a team made a trillion dollars and people will say "wow, if they reported a trillion it must really be 10 trillion." However you are correct in that the fighting between the two sides will create more problems for the sport as a whole.

Deserved. I edited.

Revenues, yes. Profit no. The MLB players salary alone were 128 million. There are salaries, bills, debts, loans and such to be paid. Revenues do no equal profit. MLB had revenues of 10 billion last year. Did the owners profit 10 billion?

Yes. After normal business operations it is a loss. As was said previously it would do no good to open books because those with a bias against the owners wont believe it anyway. Even if you do take the wrong way to look at and say they made 54 million last year, they owners made about 40% of what the players did. I would hardly call that the owners being greedy.

Read the Passan article on ESPN. The only team the have financials on is the Braves as the are owned by a publically traded company. They had a net loss of 32 million last year.

No doubt. it is, was and will be both.

It was agreed to as being part of the discussion. But as we know no ones word is good enough.

in Passan's article he says Clark agreed that it was part of the discussion even though its not specifically written in the agreement.

As jimmy said. this is just a stalling tactic until its only possible to play the 54 games and not get sued by the union. They'll play. The sox current schedule would have 52 games in August and September. So the owners will stall until training camp wont start until the second week of July. So that means they probably will stall until the end of June or so.

No their grievance is based on that the players had agreed to renegotiate the full prorated salary if the fans werent going to be in the seats.