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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 04:55 PM) You realize you just said that to a person who spent 6.5 years in Grad School for 1/10th of those salaries? I've come to realize that the more education you have the less money you make. When I worked in the field I made a heck of a lot more than I do at the university.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 02:07 PM) I was more making a joke about public high school teams. NCAA Football and Men's BB are basically professional leagues these days, but what about NCAA swimming/track/wrestling etc.? I have plenty of issues with the amount of money sports can siphon away from academic institutions (e.g. Rutgers), but I don't know that eliminating the professionalized NCAA sports is really a solution. I was being the far end Devil's advocate as well. There are plenty of opportunities in track and wrestling at the professional level if you are that good. There is USA swimming and such for most of the others as well. This would make them truly amateur where it is not a job and they could get funding from the USOC. However, the point stands that sports is a way to get athletes into schools when many of them couldn't afford it. This a agree with. Maybe it should be that they need to be free. No charging for anything to college sports?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 01:49 PM) Get rid of the socialist GOVERNMENT youth sports leagues and let the PRIVATE SECTOR innovate! Actually I would prefer this. Get the "professional athletics" out of the universities and make the NFL go like baseball and create their own minor leagues. We know this will never happen due to the money generated but it would solve many of the problems.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) If they get injured, they can lose their scholarship and not have medical coverage for their injuries. These guys are going out there week after week, putting their bodies at risk for your entertainment (and money!). Colter signed up and took the risk that he did, but why is it wrong for him to want to lessen that risk or at least help protect against that risk for future players? This is the only reason to have the union. Not even so much for NW but for the smaller schools with smaller budgets. The "wroking environment" needs to improve for many of the smaller schools.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 08:39 AM) Even if we accept the claim that everyone gets paid in proportion to what they generate at face value (lol no), in "adulthood" the entire employment market isn't controlled by one cartel that completely forbids you from any form of outside compensation while turning around and profiting off of the very same celebrity. And you can unionize. These players can't shop their services around, they can't negotiate compensation packages, they can't sign endorsement deals on the side or often even take a regular part-time job without jumping through a bunch of hoops. The other side is that they are getting alot of compensation for playing a sport. Most will not go on to make a living at the sport. They may not have been accepted to the school without the the scholarship. Being allowed a free education as well as cost of living money is more than 90% of the athletes will get later on. This education sets them up for life if they take advantage of it. Although I agree the unionization is a good idea for protection from mostly medical issues as far as "working conditions" are concerned.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 01:58 PM) I don't know one way or the other, but it's not obvious to me why having it at a neutral site increases revenue. Because most of the tickets are sold to big corporate sponsors and such at inflated prices. If one of the teams got the home field many of the tickets would have to go to the fans. This way the NFL can get more money from the sponsors. I think it's 25-30% of the tickets actually go to the fans of the two teams.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 12:46 PM) Exactly, and it really isn't a neutral field if the weather conditions favor one team more than the other just because they limit the opponent. No one is going to change their mind, but the Super Bowl is probably the biggest spectacle in pro sports. Up until now it hasn't needed the gimmick of snow or blizzard or mud to keep people interested. It appears a bullet will be dodged and conditions Sunday won't play a big part in the outcome of the game. But there would definitely be a huge debate if the weather was awful and ultimately that decided who took home the trophy. It also is not a neutral field if one teams is used to playing in a dome and the other is used to playing outside. Noise factor can come into play here not just the weather. There is really no such thing as a neutral field. It's just neither team's home field.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 01:16 PM) good point. That scholarship would become pretty expensive if they had to pay taxes on it. Taxes are taken out of scholarships. The students don't "pay" them however the amount of the scholarship must be higher to cover it.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 09:19 AM) Control the weather there too, if you'd like. It'd make for better football. And your answer is, as if you couldn't figure this out, one team earned home field advantage there, and the Super Bowl is always a neutral site game. When you can control weather and field conditions and fan environment, you should, as it's better football. I know I'm in the minority here but I disagree. Any players can play well in a sterile controlled environment. I like to see the best players over come the adversity and prove they can adapt to win. While the quarterback is the most important player, can he lead the team to a win in adverse conditions. I like to see do things they aren't normally asked to do and see if they are great players or just someone who can operate when things are good. This is just my opinion and preference of what I like to see. I know most people disagree but it's just a preference.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:22 PM) Every single one that is worried about the money. Now tell me again why KW decided he didn't want to have a good farm system. Because he put all of the money that JR allowed in the budget to the MLB team and didn't allocate it to drafting and development. It's not the fans worry , it's whatever budget JR creates regardless of how much the Sox have.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:11 PM) Avasail Garcia was acquired for an over 30 pitcher with an injury history. A pitcher then when healthy was much better than any option out there. If Peavy signed for what he was worth it would have been near 20 mil. If you can get any of the FA pitchers out there to sign for significantly less than the worth say 8 mil than it would be worth it. Peavy was much more valuable than any of the current FAs. Not to mention Peavy was just 30 these guys will be 32-34.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 01:50 PM) BP has a section call Prospects will break your heart. If the majority of the guys you mentioned ARE the core 2 or 3 years from now, Hahn should be considered among the best GMs in the game. The fact is, a couple of these guys will probably fail. A couple may get hurt. Things change. I was reading the re-signing of Peavy thread earlier. Greg posted, and he was correct, that the team would be doing handstands if another team were to take Adam Dunn's contract. He got slammed. Now, a year, later, Dunn doesn't go to seminars at Soxfest because people refuse to treat him like a human being, even though his 2013 wasn't that much worse than his 2012. What I am proposing is a way for the White Sox to keep acquiring the Eatons and the Davidsons instead of drafting the Trace Thompsons and Keenyn Walkers. And although far from sure things, they are safer bets. I agree with this in principle however there is a significant flaw in this argument. Eaton and Davidson were not acquired by over 30 pitchers on the backside of a 4 year deal at 12 mil per. They were acquired by young MLB proven talent. I'm always for trading prospects for proven MLB talent. However, signing near 30 year old pitchers is not the answer.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 05:35 PM) Thanks UC, I appreciate the kind words especially since we've had our differences in the past. You never have enough pitching and I don't understand the idea of when we need it, we'll spend the money then. It's like buying a furnace in the winter even though you have money for it in the summer. I agree you can never have too much pitching. However, I also trust the Sox to know if the prospects are ready for a chance at the MLB. If they are ready let them have the chance to grow.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 07:43 AM) First time ever in the TV Thread. Just looking for new shows to check out, I'm stuck in the apartment for two weeks over Chinese New Year's before I can fly to Indonesia. Here's my current list. Elementary Sons of Anarchy Breaking Bad NCIS NCIS/LA CSI/Las Vegas Modern Family Big Bang Theory Scandal House of Cards Hostages Marvel's Agents of SHIELD Entourage Larry David/Curb Your Enthusiasm I've heard some recommendations for Homefront, Boss (Kelsey Grammar), The Newsroom, The Blacklist and Betrayal. Someone else mentioned The Good Wife but I'm not much of a Juliana Margulies fan. Person of Interest, too. Any other great shows out there that are reminiscent of the ones on my list? Orphan Black is one worth watching

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jan 25, 2014 -> 06:36 PM) Someone's paycheck is totally relevant in this case because a good portion of the revenue the White Sox bring in to pay those salaries come from the wallets of those fans. And it's not like Dunn's dog is being kicked, they're just words and it comes with the territory. Also, I don't know where you come off trying to put words in my mouth. I already said s***ting on people in a situation like soxfest isn't my thing. But again, I'm not gonna act like I have any right to tell people how to act as you so apparently feel like you have the right to do. It does not come with the territory to treat people like that. You can say they played bad, I;m sure he knows that, but to constantly treat him like that is wrong. Maybe it's just the parent in me but when people behave that poorly, you do have the right to tell them they should treat others with respect. It's just being civilized.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jan 25, 2014 -> 05:54 PM) This is just silly. Lets act like casual fans won't speak their mind if given the chance. And lets act all high and mighty and talk down to those classless fans, we're white sox fans, we're better than those people who can't resist speaking their mind! Give me a break, there is no code for being a white sox fan, or a cubs fan, or a fan of anything. People are gonna always act like people have done for thousands of year. So while you might disagree with it, that's fine, but get off your pedastals of looking down at others like your so high and mighty and never disrespect or insult anyone. I can honestly say I have never treated anyone like that. I may have told them I disagree with them but not in that manner. You can speak your mind without treating other people like garbage.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 05:14 PM) You act like we don't hear a drunk Hawk everyday during the summer. Good point but in the pubs they tend to get even better.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 04:40 PM) SUCK ME COWLEY! A drunk Hawk could be fun to listen to. Bob Eucker was an absoluteblast to listen to after a few in a bar.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 04:30 PM) This reminds me of that movie Joe Versus The Volcano. One of my favorites. A young Meg Ryan playing 3 different roles. Not quite Orphan Black but still characters.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 03:48 PM) He did have a minor shoulder injury late in the regular season, that I saw in person. He dove in short RF and fell hard on his throwing shoulder, same arm as the nerve thing. Any chance that could be what triggered the problem coming back and needing a second surgery? Very possible. The injury starts as an overuse injury and poor throwing mechanics. The ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) loosens and the inside of the elbow creates too much of an angle when throwing due to the forces. The ulnar nerve is then stretched as he throws causing the numbness or tingling. Now once it is already predisposed to being irritated, if you slam it on the ground and aggravate it (as well as possibly injuring the UCL again) it may cause enough problems that the surgeon just decide to move it to keep it from getting aggravated again. The surgery is really to prevent it from happening again not to help the current pain or numbness.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 03:47 PM) Seriously, great having that kind of poster here. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 03:18 PM) I love the fact that you post here. Thanks again. No problems. I like reading about various injuries and interventions. Occupational hazzard.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 03:24 PM) "Cuban Bomber" "Cuban Cannon" "Cuban Galactus, Destroyer of Worlds" "Cuban Mayan Calendar" "Cuban Cuban" "Cuban Hulk" "Cuban Konerko" "Island Strong" "Cuban Thome" "Cuban Frank" "Cuban Hurt" "Cuban Giant" "Asesino del Tocino" Grande Duele, The Spanish version of the Big Hurt.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 02:17 PM) I believe it is the same arm. Again, I get the impression that once it is moved, as long as it stays put, he's 100% fine and normal. It is only a question of, will it or could it move again? Because then he's out for a few months at a shot. It was apparently 5 years or so between instances in this case. OK. Makes sense now. It is a very common and low risk surgery. He will not have any problems later. The first surgery was probably to release it from an entrapment and the second is called an ulnar nerve transposition where they take the nerve out of it's tunnel under the arm and move it on top and secure it with fascial tissue. He probably has some damage to his ulnar collateral ligament and the joint is a little loose.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 09:41 AM) And his terrific start was in a league he was too old for. At 22 he would have to be one of the oldest guys on Kanny's team who is/was still considered a prospect. I am definitely not as bullish on Johnson as everyone else around here. I like him a lot though funny kid with some nice tools. Should be interesting to see where he starts the season. I don't think he's earned a spot at Birmingham but considering the Sox track record he probably does start there. In the review, it said he was shut down to have a nerve removed in his arm. Does anyone have more information on that? It sound very peculiar.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 12:00 PM) I obviously don't know the ins and outs of Stanford as well as I do Notre Dame, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's not at all true. You probably don't have to meet the same standards as the other students applying for admission, but I have to believe there are plenty of DI-FBS players that Stanford would not touch. I'm not disagreeing. That is just where the discussion went and why some people assumed others were saying he lacked intelligence.