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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 03:35 PM) I guess Im not done ranting. When you argue that guns would have stopped Hitler, you are creating the false impression that somehow Hitler did this against the will of the German people. The German people wanted it. It would be like if 99% of Americans wanted to kill Native Americans. It doesnt matter if the Native Americans have guns, if they have horses, if they have an army. If you are the minority, guns wont save you. What you need is for people to recognize minority oppression and stop it before it happens. And yah that sometimes leads to people losing rights, or the govt creating stupid laws like "hate crimes". But if you really want to stop the Holocaust 2.0, those are the tradeoffs. The gun holocaust argument is a disgrace to every person who actually suffered under Hitler. Comments like this need to be destroyed. Germany was arguably the most scientifically advanced nation in the world. Due to dire circumstances they turned to Hitler for hope and believed that the Jews were really the cause of their problems. That if the Jews were killed Germany would be okay. THESE WERE NORMAL PEOPLE WHO MASSACRED THE JEWS. THIS COULD HAPPEN IN THE UNITED STATES. When you let hate control, when you let people say things like "Illegal immigrants are causing the US ...." you are going down the path of Goebbels. Your comment is the exact reason that we have to be so vigilant. Because it can happen anywhere, it can happen anywhere, it can happen anywhere. Jews were killed in Germany, Jews were killed in Spain, Jews were killed in Israel, Jews were killed in Russia, Jews were killed in Egypt, Jews were killed in ... It can happen anywhere. It is not about guns, it is not about "everyone is going to stand up for a minority, no one would ever lose control", bulls***. Even in America, lest we forget Native Americans, Japanese internment, Muslims after 9/11. And yes, it never got as far as Germany. But that is the point, if you ask a Jew who stayed in Germany, they always think "It never would go that far, these people were are neighbors are friends". Sorry but most of you just will never understand. You just cant understand. This is like saying Americans wanted President Obama. Did the majority obviously. However, this was only to make Hitler Chancellor not dictator. Hitler took that. It would be like the President getting his supporters in the military than dissolving congress and the supreme court. The German people did not vote for that.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 03:35 PM) I guess Im not done ranting. When you argue that guns would have stopped Hitler, you are creating the false impression that somehow Hitler did this against the will of the German people. The German people wanted it. It would be like if 99% of Americans wanted to kill Native Americans. It doesnt matter if the Native Americans have guns, if they have horses, if they have an army. If you are the minority, guns wont save you. What you need is for people to recognize minority oppression and stop it before it happens. And yah that sometimes leads to people losing rights, or the govt creating stupid laws like "hate crimes". But if you really want to stop the Holocaust 2.0, those are the tradeoffs. The gun holocaust argument is a disgrace to every person who actually suffered under Hitler. Comments like this need to be destroyed. Germany was arguably the most scientifically advanced nation in the world. Due to dire circumstances they turned to Hitler for hope and believed that the Jews were really the cause of their problems. That if the Jews were killed Germany would be okay. THESE WERE NORMAL PEOPLE WHO MASSACRED THE JEWS. THIS COULD HAPPEN IN THE UNITED STATES. When you let hate control, when you let people say things like "Illegal immigrants are causing the US ...." you are going down the path of Goebbels. Your comment is the exact reason that we have to be so vigilant. Because it can happen anywhere, it can happen anywhere, it can happen anywhere. Jews were killed in Germany, Jews were killed in Spain, Jews were killed in Israel, Jews were killed in Russia, Jews were killed in Egypt, Jews were killed in ... It can happen anywhere. It is not about guns, it is not about "everyone is going to stand up for a minority, no one would ever lose control", bulls***. Even in America, lest we forget Native Americans, Japanese internment, Muslims after 9/11. And yes, it never got as far as Germany. But that is the point, if you ask a Jew who stayed in Germany, they always think "It never would go that far, these people were are neighbors are friends". Sorry but most of you just will never understand. You just cant understand. They were not normal people. Most of the higher ranking people were just sick with power or had other problems. The people at the lower levels were just afraid for their lives as their neighbors disappeared. Let's take medicine for example. Where did he get the idea that cold can help injuries. How cold can the the skin get before it breaks down? It all comes from experiences that the Nazi physician's did with freezing (and killing people at the concentration camps. These people are not normal. A normal human being could not do that to another.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 03:15 PM) Im not going to read 4 pages because its the weekend and Im not at work so Im not being paid to read the internet today. But I agree America has become weak, but its because of people that believe that they some how need the govt or need guns to protect themselves. We are god damn human beings, we are arguably the smartest animals on the planet, possibly in our solar system, possibly in the galaxy, and there are people that think they need a stupid weapon to stop the govt. They think that they need the govt to stop people from taking drugs, they need the govt to stop gay people from getting married, they need the govt to protect their soul because they are so fearful of god and going to hell. Screw that, I am so tired of this victim mentality in the United States. But I digress, the pen is mightier than the sword. Hitler didnt take over Germany through brute force, he took over Germany through clever thought and manipulation. Guns are a hope for the weak and scared, for those that think somehow a weapon under their pillow will keep them safe from all the monsters in the night. You might as well put up a dream catcher while youre at it. You want to be brave, you want to be a real man, put down the weapon, you dont need it. Duke, And if you want to talk about the Holocaust and about stopping it, why dont you ask people who actually survived? Have you ever met a holocaust survivor? What about someone who lived in Germany and escaped the Nazis? Or maybe someone who escaped Stalin? Because I have family members who did. And let me be honest, not one of them wants the nonsensical bulls*** that somehow having guns would have stopped that. All that guns would have done, was turned nights like "Kristallnacht" into the slaughter of Jews by German civilians with guns. You want to respect the Jews who survived, the people who actually were a part of the horrific nightmare you are so worried about, dont use them as an excuse for your arguments. Its disrespectful to not only the survivors of the holocaust, but to the hundreds of millions of jews who have been slaughtered through out history. Killing Jews was going to happen with guns or without guns, if you want to stop that, then maybe you should start railing against religion in govt and separation of church and state. You should want the President to stop swearing in on the Bible, you should want no prayer in school. Those are the ideas that lead to a Holocaust. Guns are nothing more than an instrument to carry out the idea. And quite frankly you should read about the Holocaust and WWII, because you will find out that Nazis learned very quickly that guns are a very inefficient tool for murder. Its just so tiring to hear people constantly refer to the Holocaust, when mathematically it can only have impacted less than 5% of the entire world. The Holocaust was about a majority turning on a minority. Guns wont stop that, the majority would have the guns, it would if anything, give the minority less of a chance. I think thats enough on this nonsense topic. Much of Hitler's influence began with mobs and beatings. He did it politically as time went on but early on he strong armed his way like a mafia influence.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 19, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) I'd be shocked if they played worse than .574 against those 3 teams. CLE & MIN still suck, and they are due to play better vs. KC. I've been saying that since the 70's. It never seems to happen for any length of time. When it does we win the division. I know I'm probably exaggerating but it really seems this way.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 12:59 PM) Follow up for Ptatc, if you don't mind. How would it work for the baseline test if a player loaded up on an artificial (IE-undetectable) steroid to keep him "baseline" levels high? It would be really difficult to do this. You would need to take an epitesterone agent (natural or masking agent) to make the levels exactly the same (given a certain standard error of measure). Since the lab will have the normal baseline it would be near impossible to simulate that baseline with injecting the exact amount of covering agent. The amount of PED in the system would cycle and the athlete would have to try to simulate all of this.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 06:18 PM) CTL just said if Arians was hired, Whisenhunt would have bee the OC and Russ Grimm the line coach. That would have made for a good offense. They worked well together in Pittsburgh.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 11:13 AM) I can safely say that management is vastly overpaid and that they do not add value in the same proportion that they are paid over the workers who actually produce and provide the products. This explosion of c-level compensation is a relatively recent phenomenon. My standard is high because my point is that there's a lot of people in poverty and relying on aid because there's no damn jobs out there right now. Pointing to jobs that require substantial education, as ss2k5 did, doesn't really address that. This program would help keep them employed and doing things until the job market improves. If it doesn't, they are a contrbuting members of society. If the market doesn't improve these people by your definition will be unemployed anyway, so give them a job no matter how menial.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) When I was unemployed I was required to go to some sort of training seminar one time. Most of it focused on how to use the IDES website for job searching but it was fairly worthless. It needs to be more substantial then.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 11:26 AM) Beckham doesn't have good range. Trading Ramirez to put Beckham at SS is one of the worst ideas of the off season. I think you are mistaken here. He goes into the outfield to throw guys out and ranges far behind second to do the same. I'm not sure if it would be great at SS but to say he doesn't have good range, is a little harsh.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:09 AM) They are not being "kept" on welfare or unemployment. Soup kitchens didn't cause the Great Depression. Working some menial temp job isn't going to get you an engineering or IT education. It's only a temp job, if you don't work to do anything else. As I stated earlier. Make a college prep part of it or something else.It's not like the current system is preparing them for anything else. Many people go into a depression and lose self-worth when they aren't a contributer to society. I really believe you will help the self image of many people by giving them employment along with monetary aid, instead of just monetary aid with no contribution.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:07 AM) lol google is your friend Because everything on the internet is true. Just ask my French model girlfriend! I couldn't resist, I use that commercial for the benefit of my kids and students all the time.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:06 AM) Compared to where they're usually coming from and where they go afterwards, politicians really don't make that much. That's more about power and access than the wages paid. It's the employment they get after they leave office that is the real incentive for most cases.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:03 AM) What do you do for the government? Because outside a few government jobs, which I understand need to be filled because the state does have some functions it has to attend to, they could never cut it in the private world. EDIT- Actually, I doubt the veracity of what you're saying. I dont usually ask for proof of anything (because its a waste of time), but I wonder. University professor for a state affiliated school. We used to be state schools but since the state support for the school has dropped 60% in the last 10 years, I now refers to us as state affiliated.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 10:01 AM) Government workers are generally paid less than their private-sector colleagues. Duke doesn't know what he's talking about. I wouldn't go that far. Gernally, yes. However, there are some (politicians) that I may disagree with.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:56 AM) they don't, which makes it hard to apply for them! society doesn't, but it doesn't do a lot to help educate them, either. This could be part of the program . One day a wek as work starts there is an information session on these types of things. Even in the current system. Maybe they should make it mandatory to go to an information session on this type of thing.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:57 AM) See, that's the opposite of a safety net program. Can't work that day? Sorry, you don't eat. No, I categorically reject that. I disagree. That is the what it is for most labor employment. If only miss one or two days for legitimate reasons (sickness, medical) it will not effect your ability to eat that day. Let's not get melodramatic.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:55 AM) So government workers getting paid the ludicrous amounts that they do have the added benefit of having no real skill. Great, I'm loving this more and more. I'm starting to feel self-conscious about myself the more you say that first part. but since I really don't fall into the second category, I guess I feel better. Not all of us who work for the government get paid alot and they are trying to take our pensions (the only benefit to the job) away.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:51 AM) Yep, I did that too - a work study program. I washed dishes for 2 semesters (and then moved onto a job at the library). I didn't get a penny out of it in my pocket. It went straight to my tuition. That is really similar to mine. I started in the cafeteria, then to the library then because of my major, I moved to student athletic trainer for the sports teams.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:44 AM) that original comment was more about the chain, e.g. the person assigned to watch your kid doesn't show up, what do you do? but there's plenty of legitimate reasons someone might not show up e.g. sickness, got some work that day, etc. Just like most other employment, if it's a legitimate reason, you don't get paid and there are other people working there that need to take up the slack.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:43 AM) hmm... i didn't realize that stafford loans could cover the ENTIRE cost of schooling. wonder why i didn't do that then... oh wait, because they don't. If you are at the poverty level and are on public aid, you will find the rest of the money for college. The university can get the money for you partially by finding a job for you at the university.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:35 AM) Affluent whites who grew up in college-educated homes and had good schools that had experience helping students navigate the maze of financial aid have advantages over people who didn't grow up in those circumstances. Actually, if your parents aren't college educated it a heck of a lot easier to get loans/grants. There are specific grants available for "first time" college students from the family. Same with first time Master's level and even doc students.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:36 AM) This assumes that people on government aid don't know responsibility and need to be taught it via menial labor programs. If they don't show up for work as you stated then it's obvious they do.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:21 AM) ugh, you're acting like unemployed or underemployed people are children who need hand holding. they need to "learn responsibility". for every person who takes advantage of the system there are countless others working their asses off with the odds stacked massively against them. 1/3 of Illinois doesn't become poor because they're lazy. It's because the system is simply broken. I never said they were lazy. you keep referring to that defense everytime someone tries to suggest something. You need a new defense. I was just responded to SS comments about how do you handle it if people do not show up. Having been on welfare/public aid albeit for a only a few years, I know the situation isn't the same for everyone. however, I also know that most people would rather be doing something constructive to earn money and this would be a good way to do it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:18 AM) This is devastating. Wow. Marinelli is so loyal the Lovie that he would quit a coordinator position to take a linebacker position coach? He should just stay with the Bears until Lovie gets an HC position in the next couple of years then leave.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 08:31 AM) So we're all onboard with tax increases for all of the administrative costs of this program then? Or will this entire program be staffed, managed and executed by people who may only be temporarily unemployed and may have no relevant background or experience for the jobs you'd task them with? what happens if the person babysitting for food stamps doesn't show? how much harder is it going to be to look for full-time employment or to get training/education while you're dealing with this program? What about suburban or rural poverty? edit: I would totally support, in times like these, a voluntary CCC or WPA-like program. I do not support turning a safety net into mandatory labor. There is nothing wrong with having people work for the money. As was stated there are many jobs they can do and will learn as they go. If someone doesn't show up, it's just like a real job, you don't get paid. Learning responsibility will be part of the process as well.