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QUOTE (ron883 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 10:29 AM) It is the all star break and sale has already thrown 120 pitches. Do you think they should keep his innings down in these throw away seasons? I don't get why we are riding him. He has a scary delivery, and it would just lessen the wear and tear on his arm in general. They need to be skipping starts every now and then for him. If you want him to be an innings eater pitcher in the future he needs to consistently do it. If he doesn't pitch now it will decrease his ability to work next year. A case could be made that this is a perfect year to build his innings and pitch count. He can do it when it doesn't matter and if he loses because of it, so what. It's about building for the future now not results. Of course repeated counts near 130 maybe over doing it but the 120 mark should be achieved regularly to build it up.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 08:19 AM) I'm on board for a Peavy trade, as teams should give a Garza like return if Jake shows he's healthy. but Danks is younger and can play a part of contending team come 2015. He should get a better return than Garza. Garza is only a 3 month rental. Peavy has a very team friendly contract.

QUOTE (lord chas @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 09:50 PM) Looks like a decent gamble Looks like Hahn is not happy with the progress of the power OFs in the Sox system.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:22 PM) Sounds like Matt Nachreiner, except he never had cartilage to begin with. /NAMEDROP He should be OK, but he had the same surgery Johan Santana did. Santana had about a 2-3 month stretch of good pitching, was horrid for 5 starts after that, and hasn't pitched since. That was about a year ago. So, if you're keeping track at home, it's been about 2 full years out of the last 2 and a half that he's missed. After this season, Danks still has 3 years left on his deal. Sanatana re-injured the shoulder. You shouldn't assume everyone will re-injure themselves. Can it happen sure. Could he be stronger and more effective, sure. With the way he is currently throwing, I'll lean towards the continue to improve side.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 02:37 PM) One pitcher and some good defense can shut down the opposition. One hot hitter in your line up, and you still probably lose. The Sox have one or two guys hot at a time often this season. Defense (which pitching is a part ) has always trumped offense in sports. I do think that has changed in the NFL. The only reason it has changed in the NFL is the rule changes to specifically make the offense more important. In baseball the same thing happend when they lowered the mound. But pitching and defense is still the most important because you have one person who can control the game.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 08:42 AM) Unless they find buyers for Peavy AND John Danks, a left-hander who has been pitching much better recently and is an experienced veteran with Game 163/playoff baseball experience, as well as the 2010 season. THis is true. However with the contracts and injuries, the sox may get more for the young pitchers. It could go any of these ways just depending on what other GMs value the highest. My guess would be one of the young pitchers (my bet is Santiago) but you never know.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 08:23 AM) I can't figure out why he would. Are teams that obsessed with strikeouts and nothing else? I mean, he ought to bring back a fortune if he's traded, but I can't figure out why he'd be so much more valuable than Quintana for example. Santiago has better raw stuff and is young. Maybe some GMs will like to work with that. I would assume that the Sox will trade which ever one another team will offer the most for. One of the young pitchers is going whether it's Quintana or Santiago.1

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 08:14 AM) It's the second time in a few days I've read about Santiago being a part of a trade. The Sox obviously don't hold Hector in as high of regard as many on this board. Maybe they don't think his style will translate into long lasting continued success. Maybe they think he is an injury risk. It obviously is something other than results. Could it be the opposite? The Sox like him but feel he will get the most back of any young starter not including sale?-

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 04:34 PM) It's been historically documented that Peavy's personality has led him to come back too early in the past, but without your credentials I guess we aren't allowed to talk about it. /thread The medical staff had nothing to say about it? It was all Peavy? It's not the credentials, I have no personal knowledge of each of the situations but have experience in many similar situations, it's the lack of belief that the medical staff and physicians allow Peavy do to whatever he wants with no medical clearance. It's all Peavy telling everyone what he os going to do regardless of medical advice. Stop listening to Bernstein and use logic, Peavy would not go out there without medical clearance. The Sox have too much money invested in him.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 04:36 PM) Why would it signal a long term rebuild?? If they get back 2 sure fire MLB ready studs (and then some) they still have Peavy-Danks-Q-Santiago-Johnson/Axe lined up for next year along with 2+ more pieces to the offense. Because even sure fire MLB ready studs struggle and the odds of both being stars in the rookie year is remote. If you start more than 2 rookie hitters in your lineup you will most likely struggle.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 07:02 PM) Take a step back Peavy. We have already had enough instances of you coming back too early. It's amazing the number of medical professionals that we have on this board that are privy to his medical condition.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 08:34 PM) There's a lot of competition that has a two month head start, but obviously if he keeps it up... Gyorko and Everth Cabrera with SD, Ryu on his own team, AJ Pollock, Tony Cingrani...and then the two favorites in Evan Gattis and Shelby Miller. If the Dodgers come back to make the playoffs, anything's possible. I wasn't implying he would win the ROY or MVP. I was saying that the start of the seasons were similar with the fantastic stats. He needs to show it over a much longer period of time. How many teams has he even seen twice let alone three or four times.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 07:38 PM) Griffey was a definitely #1 for me, with Manny coming in a close second. How about Tom Seaver or Griffey Sr.?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 03:05 PM) Fair enough. Maybe I'm trying too hard to be excited about SOMETHING this baseball season, as it's certainly not coming from the White Sox, other than watching Chris Sale. FWIW, I'm not even sure what we can trust in terms of numbers anymore. Someone else said if he had these results over one full season plus (Mike Trout), then we could talk. Still, there are lots of rumors and whispers about Mike Trout and PED's, but who knows? Of course, the comeback to that is that undoubtedly a good number of Latin American players (where making it in the big leagues means the difference between life and death almost) are tempted to use PED's at one point or another. Now you could also conversely say Puig is set for life and Mike Trout, and the end of this season, will have only made about $2.2 million, including his signing bonus....and that Trout would have more motivation to cheat than Puig (with his $42 million), but all we can do is let the games play out and let history decide. And, as far as the Clemente comp, you're right. I was just comparing RAW PHYSICAL tools. Clemente was much smaller (wiry), and more of an XB hitter (especially triples in Forbes Field) than a pure 30-45 HR power guy. 5'11", 175-185, vs. 6'3", 245. Maybe it's just the sheer electricity and dynamic nature of their games....where you can't take your eyes off them because you're waiting to see what happens next. Nothing to do with all of his off-the-field humanitarian work, the Roberto Clemente Sports City in San Juan, etc. And yes, there's always the chance he goes all Joe Charboneau/Kevin Maas/Mark Fidrych, etc. How about fred lynn as a comp? ROY and MVP in his first full year.

QUOTE (Noonskadoodle @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 12:14 PM) from MLB.com This is what I love about scouting reports. How can player A be less athletic than player B yet player B cannot play center field while player A can play all three OF positions?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 1, 2013 -> 02:26 PM) Eminor, a couple of people have alluded to it, not just me. I happen to think he's a 'loser' like the one poster's comments on Dunn. I personally think he dogs it. He was our best player last year. This year he's got decent numbers that are dropping. He had that one abysmal year after immediately sucking after the Sox acquired him. I don't know if I'm allowed to bash players, so let's just say I don't like his style. If Rios is a great player and I'm being unfair, then I guess I am a bad fan. Not a bad fan just bad at talent evaluation. Style more than substance usually isn't effect in judging a players worth, IMHO.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 30, 2013 -> 10:54 PM) Never really liked him. He's a slightly above average ballplayer I believe. Definitely been the team's best hitter for a while. .272 11 36 isn't bad. I really disliked him in 2011 when he reeked. I agree his 2011 was awful but many plyers have bad years. He is definitely inconsistent. But he is a good player just drastically overpaid.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jun 30, 2013 -> 10:53 PM) There is a reason why he, along with Dunn, are the top two players when it comes to games played without a playoff appearance. I and others might over blow this idea, but I firmly believe that no matter what the stats tell you, some players are either winners or losers. Granted a lot also depends on the rest of the roster, but I don't think Rios is someone you would want around during a rebuilding and being one of the vets on a young ballclub. WHile i do agree with some of what you said, it has nothing to do with not liking his game. I wouldn't want him as a verteran leader on a young club either

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 30, 2013 -> 09:41 PM) I can't believe so many teams want Rios. I hope he's the first dealt. Never been a Rios fan. Don't like his game. Don't like his style. Just get a fair offer and deal him, Hahn. Why wait any longer?? How could you not like "his game" when it includes good average, good power, good speed, average defense in center, above average defense in right and a good person in the clubhouse.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 30, 2013 -> 09:41 PM) I can't believe so many teams want Rios. I hope he's the first dealt. Never been a Rios fan. Don't like his game. Don't like his style. Just get a fair offer and deal him, Hahn. Why wait any longer?? How could you not like "his game" when it includes good average, good power, good speed, average defense in center, above average defense in right and a good person in the clubhouse.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 03:08 PM) This whole paragraph is just so wrong. Mitchell was a guy with incredible physical tools who had been unable to commit himself to baseball full-time because he also played football. The hope was that by focusing on baseball he'd be able to develop the skills necessary to become a legitimate superstar a la Carl Crawford. At no point did anyone think he was anything close to a finished product when he was drafted. I believe that's what I said. 1. He was considered a raw athlete. 2. He was not a finished product. 3. Did not focus on baseball. Thus considered a high ceiling low floor daft prospect. No one what they were getting so he had a big potential to bust but could also be a great player.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 01:40 PM) Mitchell wasn't a high ceiling prospect. He was a guy that struggled with contact in college that KW thought would all of the sudden learn how to hit when he got to the pros. He was a high floor prospect because he was close to being finished when he came out of college and you knew what you were getting, good speed, solid defense and power to the gaps, and he struggled to recognize breaking balls. KW was infatuated with athletes when drafting hitters over baseball players. MItchell was not close to being a finished product. He was considered a raw athlete with potential mostly due to missing so mch time with football. The theory was a low floor/high ceiling because he ahd athletic gifts but not much time in the game.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 12:59 PM) Hard to measure lost confidence, aggressiveness and a lingering sense of hesitation or uncertainty. It's like the will to win, whatever that even means. TRue but usually those things diminish after a season or two.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 01:00 PM) The issue with the draft wasn't that the Sox had no money because they used it all on the MLB team, the problem was that Reinsdorf was best friends with Bud Selig and refused to go over slot (with few exceptions). That's what has been killing our minor league system for years. You're right about the first part. People see tons of prospects busting and demand a new draft philosophy, but fail to realize prospects are naturally expected to bust, even if you take a bunch of "safe" guys with your top picks. I actually love their new philosophy of going after toolsy/high-upside prospects because you increase your chance of drafting a superstar significantly and maximizing your potential surplus value. JR didn't go over slot because of the "cartel" of owners trying to keep the bonuses down (they finally got their way with the new CBA). I think there was the resource factor as well. The Sox drafted guys like Broadway and didn't even come close to paying slot money. I think they were drafting to their budget as well as staying underslot.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 28, 2013 -> 12:05 PM) If Jared Mitchell doesn't get hurt making that catch who knows what that pick looks like now. I don't think there should be any true physical reprecussions. The re-attachment of the tendon should be fine. However, it is tricky and you never know. The biggest detriment is the lost time for learning.