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QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:47 PM) i know you guys love stats and thats fine but Joe crede is a darn good 3baseman and he will be missed as we watch fields strike out a whole bunch. Now I am not saying take a huge chance on crede with his back, but he may go the way Maggs went, big injury and a big comeback with another team. My worry is that the sox really do not judge there farm well. Therefore people on KW 's so called projection board will lead us to low places in this division. Joe Crede has a career .259 batting average, .305 on base, .446 slugging, and .750 OPS. Those are all significantly below average for a major league 3rd basement, and i can promise you Josh Fields won't have a damn .305 on base or .750 OPS, yet some fans will rip him since he's not "clutch" like Crede and strikes out too much. Figures.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:43 PM) Baseball America had him rated 43rd in their May 22nd Top 200 prospects list. I can't say that I didn't want the Sox to take him, but I can say that about a couple of other guys, too, most notably Will Middlebrooks. FWIW, Baseball America's scouting report said nothing of a two-seamer or of any fastball with plus movement, and here's what the MiLB scouting report said about him: I'm sure he'd have more movement on his fastball than four of Danks, Buehrle, Contreras, Garland and Vazquez, though. I was speaking of just velocity. His 2 seamer needs quite a bit of work, which was exposed this year and probably the reason he fell this far. I'd rather have a guy with a 2 seamer that needs work in the 5th round than a guy with 1 pitch in the first. Crosby is still 6'4 or 6'5 (I'd guess 6'4 seeing him in person) and throws 92 to 95 on a consistent basis with pretty good off speed stuff.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:44 PM) If the Yankees win, and Detroit continues its ass-raping of Texas, we're looking at 9 out of the division and 6.5 out of the wild card lead with six teams to jump. Delightful. Goodbye, Buehrle. Dye -- the least you could do is get on a hot streak and drive up your value. Otherwise, hit well so you can bring this ballclub Type A compensation. We'll need every additional draft pick for next season. I'm resigned to the fate we are better off falling way out of it and doing a firesale. Our present is bad either way, at least let's try to help the future.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:43 PM) With the exception of 2006, Joe Crede has been in the bottom-third rank of the regular thir basemen in the MLB. BU BU BUT HE IS THE CLUTCHEST!!!!

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:40 PM) Can you imagine any possible way this team can be competitive over the next 3 seasons? We are going to have to go on a Steinbrenner esque spending spree for position players if we are going to be. Our system has pitching, but is as bad as any in baseball for position players, but at least we adressed it today in the draft.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:36 PM) So now that there's rumors that Dye has some injury problems, are PK, AJ, and Uribe the only opening day starters we have that's been healthy all year? PK was seen before the game with a decent sized wrap around his right wrist, so he and Dye might be in a similar boat.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:36 PM) What the hell was Fields doing bunting? We didn't bring him up to bunt. And concerning our selection of pitchers with the first five picks, it proves to everyone the concern this organization has towards our future. The division has too many quality arms, and we desperately need to keep up. Porcello only highlights this "arms race," and how we're far behind the competition. For anyone wondering where the offensive prospects are, remember how many rounds the draft is. We can easily draft positional players from now until the end. I don't recall Williams saying the market for positional players was outrageous last winter, either. We'll find replacements for current players, whether it's from free agency or trade of current players. We have a need for MLB positional players all over, and a crappy system of postion players. To not pick one today is pretty bad needs wise. QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:38 PM) looks windy tonight - no way they can hit in the wind, and it's unfair to expect them to. Talk about a bad break....we FINALLY get the Walkerball warm weather and that gosh darned wind makes it still too hard to hit. We need to build a dome with a giant heating system.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:34 PM) I think Fields will eventually put up Crede numbers...but of course, Crede isn't an all-star. Alex Cintron really needs to be DFA'd. He's going to walk WAY more than Crede ever dreamed of, and can't possibly hit as many pop ups. So if nothing else, he will annoy me less.

89 MPH gas, nobody can hit that, we are being too hard on the guys.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:32 PM) i love how fields reached out to try and pull a curve ball. Yeah, that was a classic Walkerball swing. And Greg has barely been around him, it will only get worse.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:31 PM) Did both Green and Alou get hurt when I wasn't paying attention? If they aren't hurt yet wait a few days and they will be.

Fields is looking like every other prospect we call up. I hope this doesn't last, I have a feeling he will be in our lineup most of the balance of this year.

Wendall Middlebrooks is a hero to all. And "cunning and guile" is D.J. talk for "this guy has nothing but we can't hit him".

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:26 PM) Nope...we have more pitching depth in the minors than offense, yet we don't draft a single offensive player? The first 3 pitchers we took were fine....the last two were horrible picks. Meanwhile, the Tigers gave themselves a great chance to have an incredible rotation in a few seasons. That's my point. We passed the best HS pitcher in the draft because we are cheap (but hey, everybody else is so it's ok I guess according to this board) and we also ignored position players when that is a FAR FAR bigger need than pitching for us. Nobody knows who will be good and who won't, but we ignored all needs and passed on one of few guys everybody seems to agree on in Porcello.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:18 PM) So he already has a major league ready fastball but lasted till the end of the fifth round. Hmm... He wasn't the only first round talent to tumble today.

That is the worst arm strength middle infield combo i've ever seen us have. They couldn't break the proverbial pane of glass with their fastball.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 08:00 PM) I doubt they know as much as our Soxtalkers who only follow the game from stat sheets and radar gun readings. I'm following the fact he has 1 pitch and a low strikeout rate. Doesn't sound like a 1st rounder.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 07:56 PM) At what point does our manager start getting called out for how lifeless this team is? He has a ring and is busy doing a community service to latin players being indicted in the witch hunt against latinos via steroids so don't be so critical. This is all on the players. QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 07:57 PM) We all know you aren't the biggest Ozzie backer, but how in the hell do you blame him for this ever so talented team we have on the field? KW is the reason we won't make the playoffs, but this team looks dead. There is a difference between dead and bad.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 07:47 PM) So how is Chris Getz doing anyways? Hurt. I jinxed him into it, so blame me. Bourgeois is on fire in AAA though at 2nd at least I guess.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 07:52 PM) Where does this lineup rank among the worst the Sox have put on the field in the last 10 years? I've been watching since the early 90's (which was a different era than...after the early 90's) and I've never seen a lineup 1/4 as bad as this one.

This looks familiar.

Crosby would have the 2nd best 4 seamer in our MLB rotation if we put him in there tomorrow.

Jones better be awesome because I have seen Casey Crosby pitch half a dozen times and he is going to be outstanding for Detroit if he doesn't get hurt. We very well might have been pantsed twice by a division rival in 5 rounds.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 07:48 PM) please go to Illinois, although I have a feeling Detroit will offer up some serious cash for him. I can tell you with 110 percent certainty he will sign with Detroit. I'd like to see him go to Illinois too, but I have a pretty good source that says he won't

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 7, 2007 -> 07:48 PM) 5.87 ERA as a soph? Must be some amazing competition. Adam Russell had an ERA of 6 plus in the MAC.