Princess Dye

QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 01:22 PM) *** Note mark this as the official prediction of this post *** I will have egg on my face if this turns out otherwise. Ricciardi the BJay GM has gone one record via MLBTR thought a New York newspaper that no team will be allowed to have an extended window with Halladay to negotiate a contract extension which to me kills any deal that KW will pursue. I state publicly that KW will not repeat will not trade for Halladay without an extension possibility. As the thread starter I stand by this. To me any attempt to deal with Toronto is dead now. May change if Ricciardi gets between a rock and a hard place come the deadline but I wouldn't pony up our future farm for 1.5 years of Halladay. Like some said better to roll the dice with AA/AAA prospects. Ricciardi knows he holds the chips this early before the deadline but things may change before the 31st. Link: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/ricc...-halladay-.html Yea but we can go round and round. If it's only for 1.5 years, then other teams' competing offers wont be that staggering either.

lostfan gets so angry/heated up about BA threads, but then ends up participating anyway - ha

if we're talking about a bench player, Wise had some pretty good PH stats last year. This year he's been streaky, if you call streaky being all out bad for a while and then delivering modestly well in situations in a recent stretch. Whereas BA has been mired in one very long drought after a nice start.

But doesnt it become a circus if he's constantly in rumors? Every time an ace hits the market, Poreda will start mentally packing his bags. Maybe some guys dont let that affect them, but I'd say just b/c they wont admit it to the media, it doesnt mean they always handle it perfectly.

We cant put Poreda's name out there in the news again. You cant constantly be openly offering him for every ace out there, that kills a player's confidence in their situation. So i'm not at all surprised KW will go all out to throw off the scent right from the onset. But at the same time I doubt we can pull it off. And really I think they still need another bat, I dont like Kenny's comments indicating the lineup is just fine. Just b/c we dont have huge holes anywhere but 2b, it doesnt mean we're 'win now' automatically. we're not.

Can he be 5th OF?

I dont see why he cant just be a 4th OF ongoing. He's past the age where you can get anything for him.

Go Go Javy

Im sure it's somewhere in the 22 pages, but if we offered Dotel arbitration, what figure would that potentially be

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 8, 2009 -> 11:27 AM) Not gonna lie, this is a horrilble post that proves nothing. Sorry. I'm not saying Brandon Allen is going to be the left-handed Pujols or anything, but he's FAR from a no-name. This stipulation that Brandon Allen, at 23, was way too old for AA or AAA is ludicrous. If he completed the rest of the season at AAA this year and made the team out of Spring Training, he'd still only be 24. And even if he had to do another COMPLETE season at AAA, he'd make our team in 2011 at the age of 25. Man, what a geezer. GMAB. The point isnt intended to just call him a geezer outright. It's to say, we're at a crossroads with him. if something doesnt click at AAA, then he gets one year older and his trade value plummets (keep in mind as LF/1B). This is either the last chance to get something for sure out of this guy, or you wait out some of those flaws til he's 25, and you get a stud or absolutely nothing out of it. You're assuming he'd make our team at 25. But with these young guys we have to think in terms of trade value, and he gives a totally different outlook for other teams at 23 vs. 25.

QUOTE (GO CHI SOX! @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 09:32 PM) In my opinion, Kenny just picked up one of the best relievers available, so he can control the market for relievers by trading someone like Dotel by the deadline. Kenny holds all the cards now, it will be hard for contending teams to pick up a bullpen arm by the deadline, so now we can sit back and wait for all the offers to pour in. Very uplifting post. I would imagine though there are other guys out there to be had

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 09:11 PM) Again, look at our pen and tell me who you're confident will still be there and still be worth a crap in two years and I'll tell you why we picked up Peña. This also leads me to think we're probably not shooting for the moon in the trade market. I thnk the big hold up for people is that relief pitching is such an unstable thing from yeear to year. Just look at guys like Cotts and Politte And Carrasco on the flip side. To have a good pen, you have to either acquire top flight arms or, most of the time, you get lucky with a few guys. What Pena is , im not sure. If attendance is going to keep us from being buyers, why not just hold onto your prospects and go for it next year when payroll drops Maybe their fear was that Allen looks awful to the eye in AAA and they dont want to see their asset take a nosedive. I gotta think this is why Flowers is not promoted yet. Let him look good for awhile longer.

French Stewart's actual life is a ripoff of Ed Grimley. How dare he

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 7, 2009 -> 09:02 PM) Oh. 5 run 6th while I was upstairs. Not bad. back to the attic with ya

Im now feeling bad that the only one ive been to this year is a Wrigley one. I am unemployed however.

Bacon slew him

Sowers sure came after Dye though, i thought he'd get to cavin'

Dotel sure must have some serious value

If we could trade Jenks for some ready now offense it would be interesting. Someone who can play third or 2b perhaps?

As long as he doesnt give one a Jose Paniagua type feel, we're straight

For those that have seen him or know Pena.... is his style US Cell friendly?

It's funny but Allen now has to go from being future Pujols in my mind to future Jose Guillen

Well, the one thing ive gotta tell myself.... when it comes to LF/1B, if the prospect isnt slated to be a world beater, then he'll probably be a player that could be way more replaceable for a team winning to spend...than perhaps a good reliever.

Pena contract status?

The only upside to this is maybe we're going all in w/ another move We need a bat, dammit