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I'm pulling for him. When he's been healthy, he's been good to really good. He's always been a good teammate. There's really no reason to hate on the guy.

Baseball games are fun. Come to a few games with me. I'll let you sit on my lap.

Damn, Jerry's about to make $4k more from me in beer sales.

Pretty much exactly what I said about Thorpe - fantastic change but has little margin for error without a 3rd pitch. How much are the Sox paying you to hype up prospects on a message board read by 50 people a week?

His FB and change don't bother me, it's the lack of a third pitch. If his cutter or curve don't develop further, it's leaves him no margin for error and then his ceiling becomes Keith Foulke.

I said it's one of the better pitches you'll ever see. Pitching matrix and and pitching ninja would agree. His changeup is just nasty. Drew Thorpe has 44 IP in MLB, 11 of which while injured. Obviously its odd to say a player that doesn't throw hard has great stuff, but Maddux slider and cutter would disagree, as would Hoffman's change. It is possible. Comparing him to Johan Santana seems a bit unfair. In Santana's rookie season, he posted a 6.5 ERA over 86 IP. Sometimes players adjust and get better.

The Cease trade looks bad now, but it's still way too early to give up on Thorpe and Zavala. Yeah, Thorpe maxes out at 92, but his MiLB stats are undeniable and his change up is legitimately one of the best individual pitches you'll ever see. If he can stay healthy, his floor is a number 4 innings eater that will flash brilliance. Zavala is 20 years old and has a beautiful, effortless swing and plus, plus plate discipline. Both of them have a legitimate shot at being contributors on good teams. Zavala isn't the type of high ceiling no floor prospect we've featured over the last 20 years. He's a very high floor, disciplined hitter with exceptional fundamentals. Give it a little time and try to have some faith. What's the worst that can happen?

We've had this discussion a thousand times and you guys are simply wrong - so wrong that Balta threw a childish hissy fit and quit the board because he was wrong. There's nothing well gain by discussing it further.

Except the vast amount of investigation that showed any criminal charges were unwarranted. I also can't prove gravity exists, but I'm not a moron.

He was investigated by law enforcement and it was concluded that charges were unwarranted. MLB investigated the claims and found they had no merit. Clevinger was accused, investigated vigorously and cleared of any wrongdoing. By all metrics, Clevinger was falsely accused. Literally nobody who actually investigated the claims found merit in them. I live in a world where due process and justice should matter. If only thousands upon thousands of black men were given the same dignity.

Balta? Isn't he the guy that ran and hid from the board because he was proven wrong about Clevinger.

So, by defending a person who was falsely accused of domestic violence, I'm pro domestic violence? That makes sense.

Clevinger was falsely accused and his name was cleared. Clevinger is a moron, but it's not like he's walking around quoting Nazi's.

I remember him always saying he won't stick at SS and the bat won't play at 3rd.

Illinois. What do I win?

Probably not the wisest choice to quote a Nazi? Ya don't say.

Law never liked Montgomery or Thorpe.

The Sox receive the most prospect points and every post in this thread is negative.

Caufield wants to he part of the in crowd so damn bad. It's like high school freshman stuff.😂

Networking sure is dumb.

Arod was big and stiff and still an incredible SS. Obviously Montgomery isn't Arod, but it's still possible. If being a mediocre SS makes Montgomery a better player, it's worth the time. There's literally no risk for us.

The big difference between us is that I'm going to pull for Vargas like hell, and you're going to hope he fails. You'd rather hate everything White Sox and be "right" and I'd rather have the White Sox just be good. It's the nature of this message board now.

Agreed. I'm still fine with giving Vargas another year. I do like the tools. He looks mentally broken though.

The Fedde trade looks bad right now, be it's not because of Kopech. Although people are really undervaluing Albertus and Perez.

5 WAR over 400 IP. Lol, man.