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QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:31 PM) I get that and lets be clear prospects are just that...prospects. Even if they were position players. What Hahn did was get max value for Eaton and got at least equal value for Sale. True, no position prospects are really involved, but the bounty they got for Eaton was simply too good to pass up. I suspect the Sox are going to add some position players to the pipeline as well. The games are not over. Shoot, this is the most excited Ive been about the Sox in a long time and hell I loved Sale and Eaton, but we gotta rebuild this ship. I figure about the time the Blackhawks are a bottom feeder the White Sox will be back rolling. With the Bears who the hell knows about them. Is Yoan Moncada, the #1 overall prospect in baseball, who plays 2B, dead? Last time I checked he's now a White Sox.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:24 PM) If this fails to the point where you are trading Rodon, you might as well contract this franchise. I already hate this. There is literally no reason to watch this team for years. Dude I'm as excited as I've been in years. To me it feels like the early 90s again. Sox are loading up on young talent and if they can get a few studs out of like they did then it will set them up for a great run in the next decade. I get that you're disappointing to see favorites go but ripping the bandaid off has long been overdue on this roster.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:21 PM) Gotta say, this trade is impressive. Feels like an overpay on the Nats with both Giolito and Lopez. Eaton I think played a little above his head this year, and while I'll miss him, I see why the Sox moved him. I gotta say I find it funny that Drake's two biggest supporters are now both off the team. I'm sure it played less than a 1% role, but it is ironic. He played well over his head. Eaton is a nice player. He's also injury prone and coming off what is almost certainly his career year. He's on the wrong side of 27 now and the Sox just cashed him in at the perfect time IMO.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:21 PM) Our direction so far is to hope that we can get to the same point that we just were. All pitching, no hitting. That is a f***ing terrible direction. Huh? If they really want they have massive chips left in Q and Rodon to trade for position players. This is what a rebuild looks like you get the most value you can, regardless of position, and sort it out later.

So if the majority of the red sox nation reaction to sale was "fair value" the majority of Nats nation on their forums seems to be "are you f***ing kidding me". Hahn is doing work.

Sox are doing well. The system just moved into the top 10, let's see if we can move it into the top 3 with a Q trade.

Eaton is not a 6 WAR true talent player. He's about 3-4, still a great player but I can pretty much guarantee last year was his career year defensively.

Wow. Selling high on Eaton. WOW

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) Trading a guy who is an ace with 4 years of cost control left seems like a pretty risky proposition. I'm open to it, but Q is probably the last of all the guys I'd move. I'd move Eaton, Melky, Robertson, Jones, and Abreu first (again depending on value). I'm with you here. Better get a great haul if you're going to trade him.

Deadpool was an alright movie but after hearing a million times how great it was before I saw it it was a let down. Soft bias of low expectations for superhero movies.

Well, FWIW, Boston Internet seems to think it was a fair trade or an overpay. Lots of worries about Sale's health and pitching in Fenway. I'm starting to think it makes sense to keep Q, unless they get a similar package for him.

QUOTE (Real @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:20 PM) watched very little baseball last year. mainly radio and at bat app feeds Sanchez was a HUGE story. I was checked out and couldn't help but see his name everywhere. He put up some Ruthian like numbers for about 50 games, and it was for the Yankees so of course it got magnified every more.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:31 PM) And I find it rather disgusting that you can't avoid making it personal the moment someone disagrees with you and takes a different opinion of available information. I made a point about baseball. You could disagree with it without going after me personally. I put DA on ignore a year ago and every time I unignore one of his posts (about once every 10 or so he posts) I regret it. Sorry to talk s*** about him but he is what he is and that's a White Sox sycophant.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:26 PM) Well no lol. Avi has had plenty of chances, Navarez has not I'm just saying if you're really committing to a rebuild then it makes sense to apply that same logic to guys like Avi. Same with Saladino, same with Sanchez. Yes Avi has failed but unless they have someone he's blocking (and they don't) then you just trot him out there and hope for the best. If they were contending (like last Winter's moves indicated) then it would be stupid (like it was last year with Avi) but they aren't, things change. There's no downside to letting Avi trot out there for 300 more PA if he's not blocking anybody.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:21 PM) I think long term you try to develop Collins. Flowers came a long way defensively in the Sox system. Until they are trying to compete, I don't think it is imperative they find a long term guy. When they are ready to win, it should mean they can carry an offensively challenged guy back there, so you find a veteran pitch framer who calls a good game. Catchers are hard to find, hard to develop, have a bust rate, but some come out of nowhere. I would hate the Sox not get big time value somewhere else and get smoked takimg on a mediocre catcher. As you said yourself, the chances Collins pans out are very slim. Maybe 1/10 as a catcher. It would behoove them to find someone in one of these trades that is much closer to MLB level or already at MLB level. Won't be cheap, for all the reasons you listed, but if they are rebuilding getting a solid catcher should be a high priority.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:15 PM) If we are doing this rebuilding thing I want Navarez to get most of the reps at Catcher to see if we might have something with him Well, if we are going by that logic then they are probably going to run Avi out there again as well. I don't have a problem with it in what is FINALLY a rebuilding year. If they suck they suck and actually might help bring success by improving the draft pick. If they improve, f***ing great.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:09 PM) I had my eyes on Severino as a secondary piece in a WAS deal. He's no Pudge (either one of them), but has a good shot at being a solid regular for a long time That would be ideal. Sox really need to find their starting catcher in one of these deals.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:11 PM) That's funny. 2 days ago the Red Sox fans of the internet were saying that Moncada wasn't worthy of getting Sale. Now the trade happens and they win it. That being said, I am disappointed we missed out on another piece or 2 just so Boston would pick up all the money owed to Moncada. They didn't send a long any cash. The signing bonus was just structured so they made three separate payments. He's still owed 11 million on that bonus from the Red Sox and they will pay it. The other 32 million they paid for him was luxury tax. In essence they traded Moncada and the the other prospects for Chris Sale at 3 years 100 million.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:18 PM) The other thing that needs to be brought up in every Eaton thread is that he's a guy we heard the word "attitude" used about even before we traded for him, and he just might not be that good of a guy to have around on a team that is clearly looking 3 years down the road and just traded a guy he's probably friends with. Good point although I think the attitude stuff with Eaton is over blown. He just seems like a guy that usually goes whatever way the wind is blowing. Now that RV is gone maybe the manager will actually take on more of role in determining which way that wind is blowing, rather than just letting the inmates run the asylum.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:36 PM) You need a good return for Abreu. He can be non tendered if he flops or gets hurt. His AAV is a steal. He is vastly undervalued around here. True, but the flip side is that if he performs, arb is going to be friendly to him. I don't think he's undervalued or over valued I think he's properly valued by most. He's a solid starter on a decent contract the return should probably be a B+ prospect and a lotto ticket.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:31 PM) Sox need hitters. Abreu is their best hitter. Why trade him? But, the Rockettes will absolutely salivate at the thought of Abreu. First Base is their biggest weakness (along with bullpen). They might overpay. They think they can win in 2017. Rodgers and Dahl are studs. Gotta get one of them. Murphy is very good catching prospect, better than anything Sox have had in years. Plus, Rox have another outstanding catching prospect, so one of them is expendable. Hoffman has been a disappointment. Maybe it's Coors Field syndrome. Tapia is overrated by you guys. McMahon is, too. Stay away. Rox have a couple of lower level position prospects who are Very interesting. Because he's turning 30 (at best) this winter, has declined two years in a row, and probably won't be a part of the next Sox playoff team. He doesn't have a lot of value but he likely has more now than next offseason or at the deadline after another slow 1st half.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:26 PM) I can't see Frazier being a fit for the Rockies at all. You're overspending on a guy who can play 3b in order to move him to 1b and then let him walk as a free agent? I can come up with probably 10 teams Frazier is a better fit for. The point of Abreu is that he's on your team for 3/$45 ish and you can even cut that to 2/$28 ish if he gets hurt so his contract is nice and insured. That makes a ton more sense for the Rockies, as with several other teams. I've felt for a while that he's a perfect fit for Cleveland. Lots of talent in their org, opening at 1b, would prefer the cost controlled guy compared to the big splash, no draft pick to give up as with EE. But you'd have to trade in the division. Which would actually help the Sox in their quest for a high draft pick. Nothing wrong with it in this case imo.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:14 PM) Of the remaining free agent catchers Jeff Mathis is the only one who's an above-average framer. And he hits like he's holding a whiffle bat. SOB. Going to have to get creative.

I've done a 180 on pitch framing. I over estimated (a bad mistake) the competency of MLB umps. I've now seen more than enough evidence that framing matters and that the Sox suffered from a lack of it last year. This is a key area to improve on and seeing how we are starting from the bottom it shouldn't be too hard just to move into "mediocre". I have no idea who is out there that fits the rebuild plan but just getting someone that can raise the trade value of the pitchers by getting more strikes is a good move.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) Last big contract, "only" made 85mil in his career...I'd bet he goes for the cash. He will, no doubt. Especially as going to a contender in baseball is a crap shoot given the nature of the playoff structure.