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Laroche is lying it's obvious. f*** him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:22 PM) Wow, this is the transcript of Sale: Q: What are your concerns about how this affects the team moving forward? A: We’re missing two big pieces to our puzzle, plain and simple. I’m not going to sit here and say it’s going to be the main reason, but he’s definitely going to be missed and we’re not going to get him back. LOL! Someone needs to point Sale in the direction of the Adam Laroche's 2015 baseball card. If Chris Sale really believes that Adam and Drake Laroche are the difference makers then I don't know what to say other than "million dollar arm ten cent head".

QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:14 PM) This could be an additional reason (plus arm angle) why Sale fell to the Sox. And Eaton for that matter, although obviously in different circumstances.

QUOTE (Tony @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) Will Leitch had some good stuff on the school/clubhouse talk: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/16800...se-school-drake leitch is the man. Was honored to play on his softball team one summer in NYC.

It's too bad Abreu isn't more of a vocal leader. A certain part of me thinks he thinks this is all absurd. Can you imagine a guy that has been through what he's through with his family having any sympathy for LaRoche? I bet he's like "GMAFB I had to come over here WITHOUT my family and you can't simply have your son out of the clubhouse a bit more often?" Abreu has more perspective on fighting through adversity then any of these coddled US players like LaRoche, Sale and Eaton.

Chris Sale hasn't even sniffed a playoff appearance with the Sox maybe you'd think he'd be a bit more open to changing some of the clubhouse culture. But no, he's just another one of the Sox that seems to think just because something has been one way for a while it apparently can never change. These guys really come across as young twentysomethings when in reality both Chris and Eaton are old enough now, in their mid and late 20s, where they should have matured and realized that in the workplace you have to adjust to change.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) Carlos Rodon stands up slowly, looks around...."You're all being p*****s." Sits back down. Puts a dip in. no s***. What a bunch of coddled babies we have on this team. Sale and Eaton are showing their true colors. I'm starting to put a lot more credence in those D-Backs rumors about Eaton. He's a guy that's all happy go lucky when things are going his way but mopes and complains at the first sign of adversity.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:13 PM) Bill Shaikin ‏@BillShaikin 23m23 minutes ago Chris Sale, ripping Ken Williams, on clubhouse access debacle: "If we’re all here to win a championship, this kind of stuff doesn’t happen." Hey, Chris: how about you don't get yourself suspended this year at a critical time of the season because you couldn't control your temper? God, when your best pitcher is this much of a knucklehead it really make it hard to root for him.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Mar 18, 2016 -> 01:12 PM) Why don't Hahn or Reinsdorf come right out and directly state the language wasn't included in the contract? Because why should they have to confirm the obvious?

This is what happens when you have a rudderless ship. There's no doubt anyof this happens in a Mike Sciosia clubhouse. Chris Sale has the emotional maturity of a teenager, no wonder he's on the side of Drake. What piss poor "leaders" this team has all the way from Eaton and Sale to RV. Thank goodness they brought in more outsiders that have stirred the drink. I hope these guys show up to the park every day pissed off and fired up. It sure as hell can't hurt as the opposite approach hasn't worked.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) If he truly believes that his family is that much more important than his job, no I won't call him selfish. I'd be more likely to call him selfish if he sold out his beliefs for a paycheck. fair enough

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:42 PM) Eh. I won't call him selfish or anything, but I don't get why this is such an unreasonable request. I have no problem with the guy standing up for his beliefs, I just don't get his beliefs. Well his "belief" was detrimental to his employer and his co-workers. If his "belief" was that he couldn't play under a full moon should we not call him selfish? Beliefs can be selfish.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:26 PM) How dumb are these people to not realize players complained? Jesse Rogers ‏@ESPNChiCubs 7m7 minutes ago Consensus in Cubs locker room re LaRoche is basically players should have been allowed to police the situation no s***, the players did police the situation because unlike last year the club has real leaders. KW simply decided to play bad cop and act as their proxy.

Deadspin is really nailing this.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) He shouldn't have to worry about that. He'll always have his education to fall back on.

Wonder how Drake is going to feel 30 years from now when he's a few million lighter in his inheritance because his pops decided to forgo his last 13 million. I mean, a lot of fathers work tooth and nail, including mine, to give their son a better, easier life than they had. This isn't about what's best for his kid it's about what is best for Adam Laroche. It was a selfish decision.

QUOTE (Baron @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 02:05 PM) Wasnt it Jim Bowden the other day who criticized Adam for leaving his wife at a few games? Bowden tore Laroche a new asshole in the most perfectly worded statement. Basically called him out as a hypocrite. Yea, Adam is so dedicated to his family that on numerous occasions someone had to remind that he left his wife at the park. I understand LaRoche has ADHD but FFS how do you forget to take your wife home from the park? Seems like Adam might have been up to something else other than "#familyfirst" those nights.

QUOTE (Baron @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:53 PM) Bernstein is saying now that Kenny approached Adam first to try and hint that some players would like it if he wasnt around as much. Trying to slowly move him towards cutting it down. Then when he didnt do that Kenny put his foot down. Go figure. Sox management reasonably asked for some compromise and LaRoche got all salty. LaRoche is the villain here, not KW, not Sale, not Eaton, not Rollins or RV. Just LaRoche. He brought this on everyone. LaRoche is not reasonable. That's not a good thing in business or life.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) Honestly this is great IMO, wake up call. It doesn't have to be a party in the clubhouse where everyone gets what they want and play like crap on the field. Exactly, the beer and chicken s*** only became a problem when Boston wasn't winning. If Laroche had an awesome year, the Sox won big, who gives a s***? But coming off a 76 win season where your big FA signing put up -1.4 fWAR and not expecting management to ask for some changes? GMAFB. Any employee not living up to their salary should be open to their boss asking them to make work/life changes. If I was promised I could work from home but a year into the job I'm slacking off and only getting 1/2 of what I would get done with a regular office schedule of course my boss is going to ask me to stop working from home as it's obviously hurting my performance. LaRoche is just a douche. He pouted and whined and took his ball and went home. Instead of doing what was best for the team he did what was best for him and he did in the worst possible way, trashing the team on the way out.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) That's the funny part. We are literally all happy about this. Don't you think some of the players realize it too? I mean, they can look at the back of his baseball card just as easily as we can. If they want to win, ditching LaRoche for free is a nice little boost to that plan.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) I don't think it matters at all honestly. This team needed a kick in the ass. Last year they sucked, had no leadership from the manager, and no leadership from the players. Avila, Frazier, Navarro, Jackson, and Rollins have been on wing teams before. This team needs this in my opinion. I agree. In fact, I think this is a good sign for the clubhouse chemistry. It's better to have strong leaders and the occasional big dust up then some passive-aggressive BS where you "lead by example" and never call anyone out. From all indications that is exactly what the clubhouse was like last year. Nobody said anything, ever.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:32 PM) That's where starting hot is important. If this team plays the first month at 11-16, they'll self-destruct before June. This is where having a good manager would help, but they don't have one. Yep, you are dead on. It's going to spiral either way IMO. RV is not a strong enough leader to pull them out of a "woe is us" slump. They gotta start decent.

I actually think this might help the team on the field. It's not like a situation where Sale has to pass the ball to Jimmy Rollins. Baseball is an individual based team sport, if that makes sense. Sale can f***ing hate Rollins but it doesn't matter really on the field. It's not like Rollins isn't going to hustle for a ball in the hole because Sale is pitching.

QUOTE (Baron @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:17 PM) When Jimmy Rollins sees there's a problem...then there's a problem I respect Rollins' opinion more than anyone else on the roster. He's been through battles and come out on top more often than not. If there is a Will To Win he has it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 17, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) I'm sure you are correct...bmags is most likely correct in saying the Sox likely didn't know just how omnipresent the kid would be when they agreed to this. As I said 40 pages ago (lol) they probably told LaRoche, "listen, we have no problem with your kid having access to the clubhouse". LaRoche, egomaniac that he apparently is, took this as "I can have my kid around 100% of the time, even on road trips". Ok then, no wonder there was a conflict.