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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Oct 22, 2015 -> 11:34 PM) Ugh team has sucked so long and makes no real changes at the top so I don't see them flipping the script until they do.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 2, 2015 -> 06:38 PM) All of the factors play into why they should replace Ventura: 1- As far as I know, he had no aspirations to manage before October, 2011. 2- They spit out a division in 2012. 3- They lost 99 games in 2013---and he got an extension. 4- They play sloppy baseball. Like it or not, that is a reflection on the manager. 5- They sucked again in 2014 6- The front office went out and made moves we perceived to be positive. They certainly had expectations themselves to win going into this season. 7- They sucked again in 2015 It doesn't matter if it was his fault or not. When a team sucks like they've sucked, you make a change. It was a joke he got hired in the first place. To keep going back to this group year after year is an insult to the fanbase. There has to be qualified candidates out there that they can bring in, and make a better decision for the team. Then you give that guy a 3-year deal which is pretty standard, and try something new. If that doesn't work, you go to the next guy. That's how it works. 5 years for Robin Ventura after these last three? That's a joke. Sticky this post to the top of the page.

hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahah! Yes, fire the bench coach, that's the ticket!

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 1, 2015 -> 12:37 PM) Micah Johnson has 114 major league plate appearances. 114!! People on this board want to sell everything for prospects but freak out and write players off as soon as they struggle. Micah is awful defensively and I have my doubts that he'll be a White Sox long-term but good lord people. He had a wRc+ of 145 at Charlotte this year. He's a really good prospect still. he's hardly even a prospect. He'll be 25 in spring and he hasn't been able to stay healthy going on 2 years. When he did play, he was OK with the bat but historically awful at 2B. He's just "another guy" at this point much like Salidino, Sanchez, Conor, etc, etc, etc. Maybe if he had a solid instructional staff to guide him but a lot of sand has already passed through the hourglass on Micah.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 04:23 PM) Funny as I was responding to Balta who's whole post was on "hindsight." It's not like we were evaluating a move that happened in the past or anything. My points were A.) Phegley has no role on the team. B.) Bassit can't continue his pitching in the future. But hey, I haven't been around here in a while since I've been busy but to no surprise you come out to attack me right when I return. Did constantly attacking SS2K grow tired when I was gone? I am sure you had to direct your angst at him while I was gone. As it's been your whole time here, you just attack the "authority" here on trivial observations. Only thing is the leadership on this board is the most relaxed leadership you can find on a message board. I shouldn't guess about your personal life, but it just seems like you've really struggled with authority in your personal life that it's become pervasive in every facet of your life. No one's out to get you chitownsportsfan, you're safe here buddy. Nah, I don't care enough to write a paragraph like you. Using fWAR to justify the Shark trade is a joke. Unlike SS2K you actually make decent points on occasion but this was not one of them. SS2K is a professional Internet troll I try and ignore him now. I will poke fun at your baseball career however you seem to think your God's gift to baseball so let me know when you make a MLB roster I'll be sure to come here and write a treatise on how great you are!

QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 03:01 PM) I don't use bWAR for pitchers so I am not all that concerned with it. You are ignoring opportunity cost when using WAR. Phegley had no standing in this organization and would have never been given a chance. In fact, he may have been released if the A's didn't have a liking for him. Bassit would have never started on our team either and I'll bet can't do what he does in Oakland outside of there. If we keep Bassit, there's probably no Albers. The only part that hurts is Semien but you have to give to get. fWAR for pitchers is a fantasy construction. Just like the hindsight bias you used in your post.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 09:54 PM) Why? Lots of blown saves. Terrible offense. Terrible defense. Terrible baserunning. Too many mental mistakes. Inconsistent execution. Lack of clear leadership and vision organizationally. Offense. That is the reason. Offense.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 10:09 PM) Holy crap has he really faded off these last couple of months. Last time I looked he had an OPS+ of around 120, and his OPS was the highest since his 2010. His OPS+ is down to 103 now. Since August 1 he is 9/62 or .145. He has a grand total of 3XB over that time. He works out to a .500 OPS over August and September. Forget regressing next year, that Geo is already here. lol. Nice backtracking. Next time look on the back of the baseball card before you post and you won't embarrass yourself.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 08:15 PM) Looking at Soto's career numbers, I don't know how you can say anything but he just has a career type year, and is in for a huge regression next year. It's either that or Robin Ventura is a freaking genius who turned the guys career around. You pick. His career wRC+ is 102. His wRC+ this year is 99. I'm not sure what numbers you're looking at to suggest this is a career year. When healthy, this is what he does -- he hits.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) Just so we're all clear here, Geovany Soto is hitting .227. edit- .223 actually. my bad. and Flowers is at .224. and his wRC+ is 99 and Flowers' is 71. Can we just stop using batting average? Soto takes walks and hits for power. Those are useful qualities and it's reflected in the slash lines and wRC+.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 07:15 PM) I would not pay more then 2.5M for him. Maybe another team gives him slightly more, but he isn't getting $5M. Baseball teams don't give out contracts based upon WAR. And I don't even know if I go 2.5M. His previous 2 years he was worth essentially zero WAR. I'd be willing to bet a fairly good amount that someone will give Soto 5 million. FFS, Beckham got 3 million.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 05:02 PM) How much are you willing to pay for Soto? Based on both sites he's been worth about 1.2 WAR this season - that means he's been worth >$5 million on a 1 year deal. Would you be willing to pay that for next year? If you offer Arbitration to Flowers he's probably about $4 million, even if Soto were to come at a discount is this the catching rotation you'd pay $8 million+ for? Yes?! That's a solid platoon. This team has bigger issues than a cathing duo of Flowers and Soto at a combined 8-10 million imo.

No Matt Wieters. He can't stay healthy and the tommy john has sapped his value both behind the plate (9/37 CS since the injury) and at the plate (no power anymore). The last thing the Sox need is an aging, oft injured, high risk FA like Wieters. They aren't close to contending, they don't need to take on high upside high variance FAs. If you want to take on high variance FAs, you pay them 3-8 million on a 1-3 year deal and hope they can improve their stock while with your club. I'd just roll with Flowers next year they aren't going to bring in anyone better. Try and develop a replacement in house. I wish they would give more thought to bringing Soto back but it seems everyone has moved on.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 04:18 PM) So from reading this thread, people are somehow surprised that a guy who has never pitched more than 120 innings in a season, Montas is fine. what is f***ing alarming is Avi Garcia. An ISO of 108 and an OPS of 677? From a horrible RF? I've defended him all season but I'm done. I'm not even sure it's worth giving him 600 PA next season.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 23, 2015 -> 04:07 PM) Yes Hawk, it is too late for Beckham to become a star. He'll be nothing more than a bench player for the rest of his career. he'll be lucky to be a roster next year.

QUOTE (beautox @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 11:53 PM) No problem. I agree that he could be a 2.5-3.5 WAR player. With the rash of players with lackluster milb careers but good tools making good on them (Cozart, Crawford & Grichuck) there is reason for optimism with Trayce. I still think if everything clicks we're looking at an Alex Rios or Hunter Pence clone. I like his tools and mentally / blood he's off the charts makeup wise. Whole family is pretty much pro athletes, that has to count for something intangible. He has swag.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 11:42 PM) Example of someone who's a lotto ticket? Not sure but come Jan a few should be fairly apparent. Take a flyer on a middle infield type and unload at least one of Micah, Sanchez, Saladino -- they are redundant 1 war types for the most part. Choose a guy and trade him that's what the Sox scouts are for.

Don't sign anyone expensive. Take a couple lotto ticket flyers. Commit to building from within and give it a 3 year window.

QUOTE (beautox @ Sep 22, 2015 -> 10:17 PM) link Thanks for posting that. He could be a 2.5 WAR player. He could also be a flash in the pan. It behooves the Sox to find out ASAP.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 11:39 PM) Today's game assures Shark of whatever he wants on the open market. Wow. He gonna get 20 million a year for 5 years; bank it. Just hope Sox don't sign him. That would be the logical equivalent of hitting on 17. Those days are pretty much over in the MLB FA market. Someone will give him 3/60, but nobody is giving him 5/100. Maybe if he was 28, but not at 31.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 21, 2015 -> 09:56 AM) The Samardzija Trade should be re-titled "The Ynoa Trade". well, points for optimism.

I don't think he's tipping hit pitches so much as leaving hanging breaking balls over the middle of the plate.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2015 -> 04:45 PM) I continue to think that any description of a sandwich pick as a "very valuable pick" is overstating it. It's a nice little thing, but it's less in value than the combined 2 picks we gave up last year for our free agent signings. On average you might get ~2 fWAR from a sandwich round pick, so somewhere close to 1/2 of the picks in that range will never even make the big leagues. It's nice. You don't give it away for nothing. But also don't oversell it. thank you. It's worth about 12-15 million if you go by $/WAR in the FA market but teams wouldn't pay quite that much because the impact is so delayed. THe pick won't even help until at least 2019 anyways. It's not worthless, but it's hardly worth risking he takes the offer imo. He's in his decline use the roster spot and financial flexibility to upgrade elsewhere. Danks has been a pleasant suprise overall and Johnson, barring another injury, looks like he can be a solid 5th at least as well. So losing Shark is no big loss and as already said the pick is valuable but not priceless.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 09:11 PM) Yep, statistically it might be our 3rd best position soft bias of low expectations! lol

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 07:17 PM) Sale should have been shelved 2 weeks ago. Most of the usual suspect in the lineup. This is not "young player friendly" organization, especially with Cooper and Ventura in the dugout. But I'm sure glad Melky loves Robbie as manager. WINNER! Seriously, nothing the Sox do makes any sense. Why are they not starting to shut guys down and look to 2016?