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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 04:08 PM) Of the 5, 2 hit LH, one will cost you more than Victor, and the other hit like Leuri Garcia this year and has and agent named Boras. So you're saying that you shouldn't just pay attention to career numbers and instead should actually focus on what a person is likely to do over the duration of a contract? That doesn't sound like you at all.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 02:19 PM) How about with with a career 125 wRC+ who bats lefthanded (actually both) can be plugged into the middle of the line up, and rarely swings and misses. Just to point out how solvable this position is every year, in addition to Laroche, here's the WRC+ career for various guys who are also available: Michael Morse's: 122 Kendrys Morales: 111 Billy Butler: 117 Michael Cuddyer 117 Pablo Sandoval: 122

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 02:29 PM) http://www.ign.com/videos/2011/12/01/orego...ed-of-dysentery I had to watch a f***ing 30 second anti-smoking video in order to watch that 10 second video. The Video then would not load.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 01:46 PM) That is what I believe too. It would be nice to think you know 6 or 7 guys in the White Sox regular line up 3 or 4 years from now and/or their rotation and bullpen, but I am not sure if it is BA or BP that projects the line ups 3 or 4 years down the road. They usually wind up with only a couple of guys correct. To say before the Sox fill this huge hole, they need to fill this hole and that hole, is IMO being timid. You need to fill the holes when you can. And if those holes cannot be filled now, at least the one you did fill should be filled for a couple of years at the very least until someone develops or another opportunity arises. Or you still are going to be in the same spot year after year. The Sox cannot continue to waste Sale and Q and to some extent, Abreu. If you are waiting for this system to develop all these players before you take any decent sized risks, history has shown, we will all be waiting a long time. I cannot and will not believe that there will be an offseason any time in the near future where there are 0 legitimate DH options for a team.

GET A F***ING FLU SHOT DERRICK

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QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 10:47 AM) Haven't you heard? The Royals pitching prospects are all guaranteed to immediately succeed and have zero injury risk. He did have a point where he notes that people are counting on Rodon to do the same thing for us in order for the Sox to be competitive next year.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 10:40 AM) Oh bulls***. In Tennessee that person would be facing a primary opponent accusing them of being Obama.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 10:14 AM) Gotham ep this week was pretty great. I thought it was good and intriguing but also had a huge letdown moment right in the middle that left me saying WTF was the point of all that.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) I wouldn't worry, she's going to get crushed in the general anyway. I'm just amazed the IL GOP couldn't field better (or at least non-psychotic) candidates for that district, which has enough well-off suburbia that it could be a solid pickup opportunity for them. One reasonable conclusion might be that "psychotic" now = mainstream for that party.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 09:39 PM) But if history is any indication, no one is going to give him that with the draft pick attached. If anyone learns anything from history he'll accept.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 03:11 PM) Are you really suggesting that you wouldn't sign a player like Sandoval because of Conor Gillaspie? Kinda. The way I keep looking at it...an upgrade to the 3b position is minor. It could push an 87 win team over the top, but we're not an 87 win team right now. An upgrade to the corner OF, middle of the rotation, or bullpen, is a major upgrade. Basically, spending money for a big time player at a position where we already have someone tolerable is ok if we've filled the huge holes and still have funds remaining. It's not the priority though - if you add an upgrade to 3b and the bullpen but leave the corner OF spot with a Viciedo sized hole, that team is not winning.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 02:57 PM) Five million a year is not that much really. College basketball coaches at the elite programs are making as much or more than that. Ditto college football. And this is the pros, the national pastime. Yeah but the college market is rigged since the players don't get paid for the money they generate. at the professional level they do, so that's $25 million that can't go to players. In college, that $25 million would just be money spent on something wasteful like education.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 02:03 PM) The simple answer is ask Lovie Smith. It got him a whole lot of money and probably his 2nd job, so it seems like a good amount of weight.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 01:29 PM) The Niners had put together an extremely talented roster and failed to get over the hump. They have lost some of that depth and are now 4-4. One game better than the Bears. They haven't played Seattle yet. Why are we pining for someone else's mediocrity over our own at this point? I know we need to look deeper than just this year's team's current record. I realize a coach can have a bad year and still remain a good coach. Just look at what Andy Reid has done with KC after 2012 in Philadelphia. That being said, I don't view Harbaugh as any being an incredible organizational leader. As you admitted, he seems to have issues with his own front office. He has behaved questionably on the sidelines at times. He is allowing a player alleged to have beaten a female to continue to play. He made the decision to elevate Kaepernick over Alex Smith, despite the latter's success. The jury is still out on the results of that decision, but they certainly are in question at this point. I confess I don't follow the Niners extremely closely, but I just don't see much there in terms of Harbaugh's leadership capabilities that would convince me to give up the necessary dollars and authority to bring him in right now. I guess the simple question in reply is how much weight we put into "getting the super bowl but not winning it"?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 11:22 AM) So you think if we add Victor Martinez and he puts up a wRC+ of 130 we'll only be 2.5 games better next year? If that's all we add? Yeah. We got a 110 ish RC+ out of our main DH last year. That's going to win some games, but not a ton.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) If we have to use Fangraphs to determine his worth, on their page a 139 wRC+ is projected for 2015. There is one year well worth it. I am really not all that concerned with how his defense hurts his WAR. I think the way defense is factored into WAR it really WARps the actual value. I think if the Sox paid him $15 million a year and he hit .306/.373/.465, there would be zero complaints that he was overpaid. So again, you're predicting that he will perform during his age 36 season at a level significantly above his career average. The computer does that because he was so far out of line this year and its projecting decline based on his performance this year, not based on his career average. That projection would equate to him having the 2nd best season of his career next year and that would be far, far beyond the numbers you just wrote. I think that's a fundamental mistake.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 10:57 AM) Pretty much everyone would like to be paid like that. If he does, good for him. The reality is he will have to find someone to pay him like that. .306/.373/.475 . Those are his career splits. It seems to me a lot of people have focused on his career year, which he did have. But his career numbers suggest he is far more than a one year, contract year wonder. But with his weak baserunning, poor defense when put in, and limitations to the DH spot, he's a 2 fWAR player if he puts up those numbers for a full season in Detroit's ballpark. He put up pretty close to those numbers in 2011 and was a 2.5 WAR player while being better in baserunning and defense than he is right now. You've made a good case that he's a positive player and a good risk at $10 million a year, and would be very much overpaid at $15 million per year if he puts up his career numbers. To support the contract that you're willing to give him (not even the one beyond that he's got a good chance of getting) he has to hit well above his career average during his age 36-38 seasons.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 09:55 AM) If Martinez was the typical guy breaking down, can you explain to me how he has been able to do what he has been able to do the last season and a half? Every career is terminal. Victor has the skillset that seems to age better than most. If the Sox sign him, I will be very happy. Some will be as happy, and some will be upset apparently. Pretty much how it is with almost every player. You keep asserting this, can you give something other than anecdotal names to say it?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 09:49 AM) Yet you do the same thing you are ripping me of when you clamour for Russell Martin. GMAB. Adding mediocre players to a roster is not the way to win. Nothing suggests Victor Martinez is a mediocre player. Russell Martin has outperformed Victor Martinez in each of the last 2 seasons?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 09:48 AM) I used Hunter because there was a post or 2 thinking maybe he can help the White Sox now. We found out this year that the White Sox doctors didn't think Paulie would hold up the entire contract he signed after the 2005 season. I also have pointed out several others in other threads, including Harold Baines, who were very productive. Steamer is projecting a 139 wRC+ for Martinez next year. I broke out my Baseball Prospectus 2010 edition which stated Paulie had old player skills and his days of being a productive player were OVA!He was pretty awesome the next 2.5 years until his wrist surgery and other physical issues, including a balky back. If the White Sox sign Billy Butler, I will project April 24th as the date people get sick of watching him groundout to SS. It's really impressive that you reject any logic that says the normal aging path for players is breaking down by age 35+ and then continue to cite specific players who didn't break down as though it means something.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 09:33 AM) A lot of people around here were very happy with the 2012 Adam Dunn. Martinez is a far better hitter than Dunn was with the White Sox, and 120 is probably the bottom of what he will put up if he is healthy the next couple of years. IMO it is far riskier spending money on guys like Keppinger and Belisario and Downs and Paulino than guys who can actually help like Martinez. I understand some here either think they are heirs to JR's fortune or want to be the poster that pointed out a bargain that worked out spectacularly, but sometimes the answers are obvious. I enjoy looking at most of those, but think the end result would usually be dissappointment. There were a couple of posts about Torii Hunter. If Martinez gets a 3 year deal, at the end of the 3 years he will be younger than Hunter is now. He didn't fall off a cliff offensively. I pointed out several in another thread who hit well when they were 38 years old. Eventually, if the White Sox want to win, they are going to have to look for something other than bargains. And I pointed out I wouldn't pay Martinez thinking he will repeat his 2014 for 4 seasons. If someone does, and I suspect they might, then I understand, but thinking this guy is going to fall off a cliff because......Paul Konerko, is pretty short-sided. They are different people, different hitters, with different skills and approaches, and different bodies. I think the Sox should examine the medicals and give more than a grab and a cough physical as well. But if those check out, there is no reason not to give him basically what you gave Adam Dunn except maybe for 3 years other than 4 with incentives that make it 4. Paragraph 4: Thinking this guy will fall off a cliff because Paul Konerko fell off a cliff is short sighted. Paragraph 3: This guy won't fall off a cliff, look at Torii Hunter, he didn't fall off a cliff.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) And no one is expecting him to put up a 166. I'll take the 120 and roll with it. For $15 million per year? Adam Dunn put up a 115 RC+ in 2012. Was that a $12 million performance?

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 05:44 PM) that sounds like a reason for Rasmus. don't get me wrong, I just don't like him and with his father. I don't know if Rasmus profiles well as a backup OF. Seems like his attitude wouldn't take that very well.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 2, 2014 -> 05:46 PM) OK, so the annual salary will be pretty close. Between the two, I'd still go with Headley since he upgrades 3B as well, plus the Sox do not give up draft compensation to a division rival. Not sure why I was thinking VMart would cost in the 18-20M per year range. The Yanks have ARod coming back so I'm not sure about the level of interest the Yanks have. Local and national news suggested the Yanks interest in Headley is serious and they're probably either expecting Aroid to be terrible or pushed to DH.