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QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) Ramirez defensive ability is overstated. Well, it's nice to see that the "if i repeat this enough everyone will start listening!!!!!" posting style is still here.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 10:17 AM) It is kind of ridiculous they gave away $750,000 for a player that was going to be available as a Rule 5 pick anyway. That said, it's more of a testament to how far Matt has fallen in terms of stuff than about what we got back in return. Forgetting about who we got back, we should look at it like what would/will we be doing with those cost savings, which amount to about $2.25 million. That's another Micker Zapata, another solid international prospect between #20-40 AND the NFL LOTTERY TICKET. We need another five of those tickets, and maybe Buddy Bell will have an actual success with one of them. Have you paid zero attention to the new international signing rules? having an extra $2.25 million saved this year doesn't mean the Sox have any additional money to spend on international signings, those dollar amounts are now capped. It means the Sox have $2.25 million to spend on the roster somewhere else, next year or on an extension or whatever. The days of dumping money into international signings are over. You get a fixed amount based on where you draft. You can trade for more, but if you go over the capped value then it destroys your ability to sign people the next year.

If Jacobs winds up helping the big league squad...the Joe Borchard Draft Pick could wind up contributing to the Sox for 20 years.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 12:51 AM) Braves have a ton of outfield injuries. Time to ship them Rios. They're not going to add in a $14 million 4th OF for next year even if guys are hurt this year. u

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 09:55 AM) Ramirez is one of those players who just doesn't impact a game. He's "just another guy" now that his power has disappeared. I'd take whatever I could for him to get that money owed off the books. He impacts a game a lot. Either he helps it a lot by covering a ton of ground at SS or he impacts it by making a boneheaded error.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 13, 2013 -> 02:16 AM) Trayce is a plus defensive outfielder with superior power potential to Jacobs. Not even on the same page (other then the fact that both have shown they can't hit consistently). Not knocking Jacobs here but his tools aren't near what Trayce's are. Personally I'm disappointed in this trade. Jacobs is a fine get but the Sox are paying a lot of salary and I'd have thought they could have gotten more. Maybe I had just overvalued Thorty though. At least Jacobs has solid tools and potential and could turn into a solid starter. Still, Thorty was one of the more solid lefty relievers on the market and in years past I've seen these type of guys get more inr return then what the Sox have gotten back, especially given the Sox contributed a decent amount of cash. $750k is "a lot of salary" in modern baseball?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 11:08 PM) I wonder where Jacobs would have ranked heading into the season if he was on the White Sox? Top 10, probably outside the top 5.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 10:59 PM) Why's that? Because both of them are about to be demoted to single-a ball and thus have to compete with him for a roster spot, I presume.

IT'S RAININ' SIDEWAYS! More seriously, the game has been postponed.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 06:03 PM) The Buehrle comparisons were asinine. The increase in velocity is kind of strange though; Hector threw harder than reported when he came up too. It's not really that strange to see a guy throw harder on big league guns than minor league guns, minor league guns are notoriously inaccurate. I'd say most actual scouts bring their own gun they know the details of for that reason. Quintana last year was in the middle of a big innings boost. That almost certainly impacted his velocity last year, went from 102 innings in 2011 to 185 last year (threw 48 innings in the minors before coming up). By June he'd thrown more innings than the previous year.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 05:58 PM) And he caught him? in a chase? you guys are really soft in here if you believe this tub of goo caught a 17 yr kid. Please someone answer WHy didn't Martin just go home? The only person who can answer that is dead. Personally, if someone was clearly following me in a car, unidentified, whether or not to break into a sprint would depend on where I was relative to my destination. The guy in the car has the advantage of speed. I might do something like...turning down a sidewalk where a car can't go and trying to get out of sight. Of course, if the guy then gets out on foot and comes after me that way, I've lost my chance to run. According to Zimmerman's statements, he walked the full sidewalk once then turned around, so at some point he got between Martin and his destination.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 06:01 PM) Well thank you Cyril Wecht. Any thoughts on the single bullet theory. Forgive me for having paid an ounce of attention to the actual testimony which actually did discuss whether or not his injuries were consistent with being struck on the ground 20+ times.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 05:39 PM) Good, great, grand, wonderful, who gives a s***. Quintana is a very good pitcher. He's increased his velocity this year, and he's allowing fewer hits, striking out more, and walking fewer. And he's also becoming much more effective with his offspeed stuff. And he's also building up stamina he didn't have previously (which probably also hurt him a little this year, getting hurt badly at around 85 pitches several times coming out of spring training).

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 05:34 PM) And Joe Crede and Ventura both had incredibly quick first step reactions....absolutely doesn't mean either one of them had the range or overall athletic ability to play 2B. The same was/is true for Mark Teahen or Gillaspie or Morel. Now, if it's Brett Lawrie, or Brandon Inge, that's a different type of player. So you'd argue Gillaspie has limited range? Is that what you're trying to say?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 05:27 PM) That injury throws a kink in a lot of things. Basically, I'm saying you can still get pretty good value for Peavy in the offseason. There are definitely a ton of reasons to trade him now, but you don't want to force the issue. Come the offseason, even if teams believe Alex Rios is an .800 OPS player, they are going more apt to try and acquire a guy (Joe Cheapo, we'll say) for less regarding both assets and finances that they believe can put up a .750 OPS, or play better defense, or whatever. When it comes to making a playoff birth, if you think Rios wins you one more game than Cheapo, you are going to spend the money on Cheapo to try and assure your spot in the playoffs. I still don't think there's enough innings to go around once Peavy comes back. And yes, that includes Axelrod getting some, but even without that, Johnson would be nice to give a couple starts to once September rolls around as well.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 05:28 PM) This is all assuming Beckham has the range to play SS. I personally do not believe he does and that this will all be a moot point. I don't disagree.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 05:21 PM) Is Josh Vitters still a prospect? I remember this board s***ting their pants in fear of the day he hit the majors, lol. He struggled at AA for 2 years but has put up decent numbers at AAA.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 05:24 PM) Another thing I think about: did Zimmerman have an opportunity to try to inflict NON-deadly force? I know this may not pertain legally, but it still makes me wonder. The prosecution has shown that the deadly shot was a picture perfect one for killing a human being - self-defense or not, Zimmerman meant for Martin to die when he fired the gun at his heart. Is it reasonable to expect someone to try to defend themselves with a gun without shooting to kill? I'm not sure. You certainly don't want to miss or hit the person harming you in such a way that it doesn't stop them from harming you. If Zimmerman's statements are to be believed, he had plenty of time to do so but was unable to do so because he wasn't able to overpower the kid. His statements to the police was that his head was struck on the ground >20 times before he pulled the gun. Personally I don't believe that, but if that was the case he would have had time to try to say something or fight back, but was unable to because of the kid's fighting prowess. If I had to guess, I'd say the kid surprised him, hit him, knocked him down, maybe even hit his head forcibly on the ground once or twice, and then Zimmerman pulled the gun and fired. There might have been some rolling around to explain the other witnesses "sights" of different guys on top, but it's hard to call any of those statements credible. He had the injuries of a guy who got hit, went down, hit his head on teh ground in the fall, and then took the shot.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 05:21 PM) That's just a REALLY difficult transition. Juan Uribe, Vizquel...they could go back and forth, Ozuna (just not SS), Eduardo Escobar, etc. But we saw what happened when they tried Teahen there (as well as in KC)....and Morel at SS/2B is the same kind of stretch. You could see Morel POSSIBLY playing 2B. But SS, no way, except as an emergency option. It would be the equivalent of Adam Dunn running the option or wishbone/flexbone for an Arena League football team. I bet if Gillsapie were told "this is your spot, start working on it now" he could pull it off, There'd be a transition, but really, the game is going to be slower at 2b than at 3b. The thing he wouldn't have done is turning the double play. At 3b he has to move in both directions faster than a 2b has to.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 05:18 PM) WHAT IN GOD'S NAME QUALIFIES YOU TO MAKE THAT OBSERVATION? You might want to compare Mr. Samardzija (who Phil Rogers preferred to Chris Sale 6 weeks ago as a future ace and star of the city) to Hector Santiago and see who has the better stats and then adjust for the weakness of the National League overall. And why is Mr. Notre Dame/Mullet Dude cut out to be a long-term starter and not a short reliever? He's successfully made me agree with Puig#1fan. That has to take some effort.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 05:16 PM) Guys, don't comment on pitching anymore, haha. Why, because of how it makes you look when you worship the guys the Cubs have on their A-ball squad while discounting 2 of the better-performing pitchers in the AL?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 05:13 PM) Gillaspie at 2B? REALLY? I thought the same, thought about it some more, and said "well, maybe". It's really going to suck if the White Sox acquire a better prospect than him, because he's slowly developing into something that could be a useful long-term peice. He's never going to light the world on fire but 15 HR and an average in the upper .200's from 3b isn't terrible, and a mid-.700's OPS would put him in the middle of the pack in the AL if he could develop into that. (Yes, he's not there yet but he also had the kind of slump a rookie goes through).

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:49 PM) You can't look at it as "a guy who spent years getting to that point" in a vacuum. 2012 was his first full healthy year in the minors. If you look at the number of PA's he got getting to that point, from A to A+ to AA, were actually very small compared to many other prospects. The health issues were the cause, but they kept promoting him anyway, so take that into account. I know, but this is the White Sox we're talking about. They'd push a decapitated corpse up to AA if it was 22.

QUOTE (Jillian Michaels' Abs @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) Why on earth is the Sox BEST hitter batting 8th and 9th consistently? #fireVentura Because we've seen what happens when he gets into a mental rut before.

QUOTE (hammerhead johnson @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 03:35 PM) Okay, so the Sox have a bona fide ace in Sale, and a decent #4 in Quintana. What else? Peavy ain't gonna be here in two years. Danks is damaged goods. The Cubs are in an infinitely better position to do damage between the years of 2015 and 2020. People who can't see that are either blindly hating because they've been programmed to despise all things Cub-related, or they don't know their baseball too well. A "decent #4"? Jose Quintana has the 17th best ERA in the AL and has a better ERA than Justin Verlander in a much better hitter's park. A team with Quintana as their "Decent number 4" would have a .700 winning percentage these days.