Balta1701

The only ways that statement makes sense is: 1. The White Sox are idiots and don’t understand the price of pitching. 2. What they really mean is they’ve thought about moving him and know he has some value, but they don’t want a minor player for him so they’re thinking about tying him to another guy whose value they diminished, Vaughn, to get something bigger.

Even the Yankee radio folks were questioning whether it made sense to pull him when it happened.

Several of these "fan fueled rumors" have people who claim insider knowledge pushing them. They're bizarre enough that I still struggle to see how fans would actually come up with them, and I don't know why the so-called insiders would follow along.

(The pitch was called a strike.)

My version would be Ricky telling his guys "don't call this a rebuild whatever you do we don't want that to be out there". Deliberately avoiding words like that rather than being naïve.

I don't think there would have been such open discussion of a hard restart with half the roster had someone behind the scenes not at least talked about it. The fact that they're not adding it together as "this is another rebuild we screwed up" - kinda makes me actually think someone did talk about this at least as an idea. That's the kind of stuff someone would say internally to avoid admitting a mistake, right? "We're not rebuilding, we're clearing out contracts to give ourselves more flexibility on the market, but we still expect to be right there at the end." Could you picture that coming out of a certain person in an interview?

I don't think it seems like a coincidence that we've heard "They want to get rid of Moncada, Anderson, and Grandal" from more than 1 person and now we got a "they're trying to figure out how to trade Giolito" tweet yesterday. It doesn't seem practicable to do this, and some of these are probably just following the trend, but no one would have thought of this trend had there not been a little discussion of it. We have all been sitting here ridiculing the notions that either Grandal or Moncada were movable, and all of a sudden people are coming up with package deals? That came from somewhere.

I would have expected this to be the most likely result. However, I would also have expected the organization to know that, and at despite that least some people here have said "the organization is actually serious about dumping some of these guys because of things that happened behind the scenes". It's difficult to see how they would realistically pull it off, but it's entirely plausible at this point that they've considered it.

I can’t see any way that it would be smart business for the white Sox to trade away a player making $12 million this year to sign a guy making $25 million at the same position when the GM is already saying he might not have much to spend on the FA market.

The tough question with Fields this whole year is going to be whether you trust him with a better roster next year. The Bears seem likely to wind up with a top 10 pick high enough that there will be a QB prospect on the board if they want to try again.

I'm impressed that the one thing that you highlighted as having been a positive experience involved the same people who picketed the ballpark after the season ended because their wages and benefits aren't competitive with the rest of baseball.

Preller strikes me as more KW-ish in his trading. They're not all bad, they're not all good, but he is always swinging for the fences on whatever deal he can make. Hahn-ish is targeting mid-level guys, paying prices for them that everyone is happy to pay at the time because they say it's a small price to pay or a great deal, and then having it implode because the guy you got back underperforms and/or the guy you sent out turns into an MVP candidate. And then usually you look at the stats for them and the circumstances and you can pretty readily see what was missed beforehand.

How many of the top 4 also involve Moncada though? Analytics and game prep - why is that on there - because guys like Moncada go to the plate with no approach, so some days they go 5/5 and then the next week they go 0/23. Why is the manager up there? Because guys like Moncada aren't acting like they're motivated and they're clearly not being put in positions to succeed. Why is Offensive Approach up there? If you had to name 2 players to highlight under that as problems, wouldn't they be Moncada and Vaughn? You're calling him out separately, but then he's a top problem for several of the other spots. If it matters, I don't believe the rotation being a problem has much to do with him. Although if he was moved and Burger took his spot, that could be a problem for the rotation too.

I mean, I’d put him up near the top of the list of things that need fixing.

He also overlapped with Marlins hitting coach Frank Menechino.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Espada

Ozzie demanding a contract extension and feeling like he was treated differently from other coaches in the organization played a role as well. (He did not deserve a contract extension, that 2011 team collapsed under him after being totally unprepared for the season).

It still cannot possibly be worse than last time. A terrible hire is still a massive upgrade.

The F***? I would actually believe that "oh they don't want to deal with Giolito" is an internal thing right now, but when did we start talking about "a potential Andrew Vaughn deal" as a thing?

https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2022-10-12/concession-workers-dodger-stadium-pay-raise

Florida?