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QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jul 15, 2009 -> 08:23 AM) End all U.S aid to Israel. End all military aid to Colombia. Restore full relations with Cuba. I'd add the qualifier to the Israel one...until they pull back all of their west bank settlements other than within the city limits of Jerusalem and pull their forces out of Gaza. No opinion on the Columbian aid. Strongly agree on the Cuban one...whenever that embargo ends that's going to be a great vacation spot.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 08:39 PM) I like the assumption there. You seem to be more than happy to defend our current system, where we ration by income. Edit: and don't tell me you're not defending the current system, because any time you argue "There's not enough doctors to cover everyone!" it's an argument in favor of rationing by some means.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 08:36 PM) And rationing is exactly what is going to happen when you are adding whatever number of people to a system that is already having shortages of doctors, nurses, and facilities. You're just perfectly fine with rationing as long as you're not the one who has to deal with it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 08:29 PM) -How are we going to treat 48,000,000 or 80,000,000 more people in an infrastructure that is fixed? -How are we going to keep employees who are going to be taking an estimated 20-30% paycut while being asked to do something between 1/6 and 1/4 more workload depending on what day the numbers are being quoted? -Are employers really going to pay another cost for employees without dropping medical coverage as a benefit? -What incentive will there be for employees to pay a cost to their employer in the form of insurance, when the government will do it for cheaper? Where exactly are you getting those numbers? It sure sounds like you're assuming that the plan will be paid for by taxing employer-provided benefits/removing that tax benefit. That is not in the plan as presented today. Put another Trillion dollars in to that infrastructure and see if it appears. "We don't like you people and you smell so we're going to make sure you can't see the doctor" is a horrible concept. It is rationing. It makes things more expensive for everyone.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 08:17 PM) Thank you for finally admitted the 80,000,000 number is garbage for this topic. Also I have noticed that you have ignored the rest of the post two times in a row now. 1. How the fact that 1/4 of the country's population is uninsured at some point every year doesn't play in to this, especially when the elderly are all covered with Medicare, baffles me. That's exactly the point! 2. Why bother with the rest of the post? You are outright saying that you don't believe their math and giving absolutely no reasons why I should believe that your math is better than theirs, you're just repeating the challenges over and over. And hell, if you're giving me issues over the definition of the uninsured, how much of a problem can I give you for your artificial number of 20 million Illegals?

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 08:12 PM) By the way, BearSox, you're wrong. They're covering health care, just not the part of how much it's REALLY going to cost. And they're clearly not covering how those dastardly rascals have invaded the Congressional Budget office and in the few weeks since the estimate the Republicans loved turned it in to some cesspool where no one can do math. Really, this has gone beyond silly. "We haven't seen the bill, but we know the CBO can't do math unless it puts out numbers we really like!"

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 08:09 PM) LOL. Its 80,000,000 when it needs pity, but 48,000,000 when it comes to the CBO? So at any given time 32,000,000 are going to be going uninsured during the year? That sounds like it is more than 3% of the current uninsured to me. Are you sure you are looking at the right sets of talking points there? Why in the world is this so hard to understand? At any given time, there are ~48 million uninsured in this country. Some of them are continuously uninsured. Some are not. During any given year, 80 million people, 1/4 of the country's population, will be uninsured for at least some time.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 08:06 PM) The Obama administration and it's tricks. Once again, while everyone is looking one way (Sotomayor hearings), Barry and Friends are coming up with a bill for nationalized health care already, and no one in the MSM is reporting it. Clearly, the Obama administration set the schedule for: 1. Souter's resignation 2. The end of this year's Supreme Court term 3. The beginning of next year's Supreme Court term 4. The fall recess for the House and Senate. These guys have some ridiculous power. Next thing you know they'll be using their mental gymnastics to start having their opposition do crazy, insane, ludicrous things, like pay huge sums of money to mistresses or just flat out resign.

Ryan Howard vs. Joe Nathan.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 08:00 PM) So those 80,000,000 people you quoted are going to be covered for less than what the private sector is doing it at, there will be no population growth, and will be no large dropping of insurance by companies after the government taxes them for it. Yeah, I still don't buy it. It's 48 million for this purpose. 80 million at some point during the year, on average about 48 million at any given time. "I still don't buy it". There's some counter-logic against the CBO numbers.

You're not reading it correctly at all. That does not mean that the total cost of health care for everyone in the United States will be $100 billion a year. That is the additional cost of starting up this program, taking costs away from the states and small businesses, and covering 97% of the remaining uninsured.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 07:53 PM) So after all the hype, Wakefield's not going to pitch, is he? Who better to give you innings if it goes to extras?

Bets on number of innings this year?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 01:10 PM) I don't think we need to play the national anthem at sporting events. I can't stand sporting events that play God Bless America.

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CBO score on the house version: cost is $1 trillion over 10 years, insures 97% of the population. Edit: that does not include any of the revenue measures.

When you want to use another judge to make an example of the person you're questioning in a Senate committee...you should first make sure the person you're citing is not in the room.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 03:26 PM) Palin skewers Obama’s Cap and Trade plan in op-ed. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...1302852_pf.html Media works feverishly on ways to discredit her. Palin writes entire op-ed piece on cap and trade without ever mentioning "Global Warming", readers left wondering what cap and trade does.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 03:24 PM) Tyrus Thomas, Jerome James, and a 1st rounder....ya, it could happen, but probably not. It also would mean the Bulls would be less likely to have room to go after a max FA next season (but again, they still might very well be able to). And that trade I proposed meets all salary requirements per Real GM trade checker. The problem with any deal not involving Hinrich is that we're not helping the Jazz get under the luxury tax this season. That's the whole motivation of doing the 3 way; the Blazers are under the cap this season, they take on Hinrich's salary, the Bulls salary stays roughly constant, the Jazz get Luxury tax relief.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 01:18 PM) The "MSM" hasn't. And obviously those Demcrats on the Hill like to twist it around as "no big deal". Because if you actually read the context, it's totally not.

This healthcare reform effort has officially moved farther than the Clinton effort ever did. We have a bill in writing from the House today.

Those are actual emails sent to members of Governor Sanford's staff during the 5 day period where he was totally missing assuring his staff that this was no big deal and the media attention was silly. They were sent, respectively, by reporters from the Wall Street Journal, Fox News, Washington Times, and Stephen Colbert.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 10:13 AM) By now you should realize 97% of Soxtalk has you on ignore. And yet, things I post keep showing up as people's avatars...

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 09:40 AM) did you guys know that we are going to hit a mark where there has been 0% job growrth over a decade? Yes. I pointed it out 12 days ago in this thread.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Jul 14, 2009 -> 09:16 AM) Well, I can't...but the people of Alaska sure as s*** can. You'll get you chance to judge her in 2012.