QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 2, 2009 -> 07:11 PM)
The larger point is that the "surge" is damn near the same in Afghanistan, and three years ago, everyone was against it that had a (D) behind their name. Why? For political motivations. PERIOD.
Yes, there were a lot of other factors. And there are now. But the tactics are largely the same. Those (D)'s were pretty damn quick to dismiss it all because it was political, now the same tactics are supported.
And you know what? They did a hell of a lot more than just adding 20000 troops. They fundamentally shifted strategy and literally threw the bums out who were insisting that the old strategy was fine. They also got plenty lucky on the timing of the thing because the surge happened just about the time that the ethnic cleansing of Baghdad of everyone who wasn't a Shi'a was complete. And altogether, it caused a dramatic improvement. It wound up working. Hell, if you want me to say I was wrong, sure I didn't think it would work that well, but the shifts in strategy were huge. Had they not done that it may very well just have been more of a bloodbath.
In Afghanistan, they've tripled the number of American troops in country and they're trying the same basic shifts in strategy. We'll see if it works.