Balta1701

You guys are really going all in on "this time they're totally actually insiders and not making stuff up at all, I'm sure it's totally real this time and there's an actual bidding war this time."

Or Jason Benetti who was too smart and chewed funny.

Marking this so I can bump it again in a couple of days.

I think it is difficult for a person to say something honest when their paycheck depends on them toeing the company line.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/03/03/white-sox-dallas-keuchel-leadership-25000-team-dinner/4937202002/

Yeah, I'm just a little surprised that "they're all that completely decayed". A lot of times, older guys can come into the season knowing what to expect and get an advantage over young guys based on that. These guys are just so far down the path that the age is winning out. It is interesting to see the improvement from Maldonado though.

Every person you mentioned was being paid by the White Sox at the time they said positive things.

And Dylan Cease will single handedly make it excellent?

“Unless the Yankees are willing to spend money they have no leverage”. I would like to challenge you to read this sentence again.

Surely if nothing happens this time it will be the last time people believe “insiders”. -Automated post, repeats daily.

The Yankees probably put in a polite call to see if the Spring results had dramatically dropped the price on Cease, but aren’t going to pay a high price for him based on this. The likely scenario is that this loss is a huge problem for them and trying to barely patch it with Cease isn’t getting them anywhere.

I’m honestly not sure about that. I think Pedro had a worse roster, and an organization around them that cared less (see Clevinger getting to use Gold Digger as an example). I think that 2022 clubhouse was a disaster. More people in 2022 were clearly under contract for the next year, and no one was traded away, so fewer people to rip the team. The only guy they got rid of, Keuchel, ripped the team.

Eh, if this offseason tells me anything, it's one of two things: a. He really believes he's built a good team out of defenders and former Royals, and will be stunned by the results in April, or b. He is willing to think long term and not make Hahn-like decisions that do damage to the organization long term. This sure looks like the offseason of someone who is willing to think long-term. He didn't rush a Cease trade for the MLB-ready pieces that Milwaukee brought back, he didn't trade away many of the key guys who might take until 2026 to even arrive (Quero, Schultz both could have been that), he didn't waste very much on win-now money. Contrasting this with Hahn's 2023 offseason with the Benintendi signing (ugh), the Clevinger signing (UGH), bringing back Andrus (Sigh), and there's a clear difference.

If his April is a disaster, I'd definitely give it a shot. I wouldn't judge that based on spring alone, it's not like we are looking at a team where every win in April is likely to count. See how he looks in the first 5 starts, and if they're like yesterday, give the bullpen a shot.

It wasn't nearly as big of a business for the local communities at that time though, and there weren't nearly as many fancy domed stadiums at the time. Houston has had 2 since NRG stadium was built and I wouldn't be surprised if they had a 3rd in the next 10 years. LA seems likely to get another as well.

I actually sorta was expecting different results in the spring. So many old NRIs trying to stay in the big leagues, with tons of previous big-league camp experience, I expected these guys to probably come out ready to go in the spring and maybe even be surprisingly good because they were all fighting for jobs. I expected them to be beat down when we got to the regular season and everyone else started trying. It's a little surprising to me that they're playing this badly in the spring.

2022 was a mess. I still don't know what happened with that 8 game losing streak when everyone forgot how to play defense (including Anderson), Keuchel ripped his defense, Leury batted 3rd because he had a good time in the batting cages, they had the entire season of weird injury issues that people tried to play through for no good reason, etc.

"Tremendous bad management of entitlements. There’s tremendous amounts of things and numbers of things you can do. So I don’t necessarily agree with the statement. I know they're going to end up weakening Social Security because the country is weak. I mean, take a look at the stock market, our, what we're going through hell. People have, I believe that number is 50%. They say 32 and 33%, I believe we have a cumulative inflation of over 50%."

I mean, there's one thing that could make it less than a decade, but hard to schedule that.

I think some of that will be that the cities are smaller and so are the stadia. Over a full 30 years stadium lifetime, in Chicago, I’m guessing two assuming they build a quality venue.

We actually do have enough warm bodies in the rotation that trying him in the bullpen mid year is an option.

Because if there’s any job in the world where you’re expected to have success and be evaluated based on that success…it’s GM of the White Sox?

Well that should solve it.

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As far as I can tell, the last 3 WS winners had zero active pitchers with 9 figure deals, the Rangers had 1 buried. The Dodgers had 1, the Nationals 2, the Red Sox look to have had 1 in David Price, the 2017 Astros 0, the 2016 Cubs 1, the Royals and Giants 0.