Balta1701

I count 16 player names in this post. Based on the title I am intrigued at what happens when divide DeGrom by an Asgardian and want to run this experiment.

To cut through the gobbledygook, if Jiminez is one of the best hitters in the league he can readily be worth more than your 3-5 WAR "limit".

How did Bryce Harper put up a 10 WAR corner OF season?

From another thread

They've got to have several option years in there for this to make any sense.

Now that this has been put out there, I'll be disappointed if it doesn't get done.

The original tweet included 2026 as the end point, but it's clear that all the details can't be right here because no one believes the full $100 million would be guaranteed with no option years. Also, who knows when it becomes noteworthy that it hasn't happened yet...

I have been told at least 10 times this offseason that Eloy struggling out of the gate is the 1 impossible thing that will never, ever happen.

Did he overlap at Alabama with Jackson?

If Eloy earns only $80 million through hypothetical arb years, that means he got hurt or struggled a lot more than we'd have liked. If that was going to be the case, that's why we'd hope there are option years at the end, because that last option might get declined.

You are literally making the case over and over and over again for why the spending this offseason was stupid and why putting the $50 million in a mattress and waiting until 2027 to open the mattress was a better idea than the moves we made.

Totally agreed.

I know, I've been saying that for a while now and people are getting frustrated with me for saying how deals like Colome and Nova look suddenly extra bad in that context.

Ha, I didn't see this until just now.

Not a freakout on this one, just confused, but would buy your version as making sense.

You're projecting stuff onto Gomez's tweet that mildly contradicts the tweet and you're wondering why we're confused by it?

I wasn't looking at the White Sox contract structure, I was looking at how much he'd make in arbitration deals. The fact that it comes in at just over $100 million would mean that a $100 million guaranteed deal basically offers nothing for the White Sox. Are the asterisks making the last 2 years option years? Because then that setup makes sense, because the guarantee is only $40 million. The White Sox give up a $40 million guarantee in exchange for cost security and for him giving up 1 year of free agency.

I very much disagree with your statement. The highest 1st year arbitration is still Bryant, at $10.9 million so $12 million is clearly higher. The highest 4th year arbitration dollar amount currently is Josh Donaldson, who got $23 million last year. Arenado filed for $30 this year, the Rockies filed for $24, but they agreed to a contract instead. Every single one of those years would break the current arbitration record for that year of arbitration. I could be a couple million light if those records fall before then, so if mentally you want to raise the total to $106 or $107 go ahead, but that calculation is right in a reasonable arbitration range for him assuming he's an elite player.

A couple of people have pointed this out and I think they might be right. 2019, 2020, 2021 - pre arb. 2022: $12 million 2023: $15 million 2024: $20 million 2025: $25 million 2026: $30 million I get $104 million counting pre-arb years and those numbers, all of which are high compared to current players. Unless the CBA totally demolishes the arbitration payment system, there's not a lot of savings if it's only through 2026 and $100m.

The idea that $30 million in 8 years will be greater or more difficult to afford than $50 million today is nonsensical, you're right.

SMH.

By my count, the White Sox spent $44ish million in new money this offseason if Santana makes the team. If I count Abreu as an "optional" player, which he is as we didn't have to offer him arbitration, that's $60 million in spending right there. If the VP is that worried about $50 million in player flexibility 8 years from now, then it is absolutely fair game to look at the moves made this offseason that spent $60 million and ask how they could have been done differently. Letting Kevan Smith walk and signing McCann is only $2 million, in the swing of things that isn't big, but if you're worried about flexibility 8 years down the road - that is your flexibility. People are annoyed that I'm whining about paying market (or slightly above market) rates for guys like Colome and Herrera. It was mildly annoying when they did it as it was unnecessary, but that spending should have received an immediate target on its back from everyone once Kenny and the White Sox repeatedly complained to the media about needing payroll flexibility to sign their next core. These 2 matters are related. This is a person complaining about how they can't pay rent every month as they walk down to Starbucks for two daily $5 coffees.

If you're convinced he's going to be even a good regular and you can buy out a couple of FA years when he's still in his prime by trading him financial security early, you jump at it. If you do 5 of these deals and 1 of them flops, it's still a helluva lot better spending than anything else the White Sox have done in years.

JFC "stop pretending Narvaez is a 2 win player just because I say it"? Well at the very least I know you can only ever quote one site for your WAR totals again because you just said that 2 pages showing them don't count and that BP has completely and precisely priced in the value of framing and we 100% know that skill cannot change. I'd even agree with you that the post you are replying to was dumb, but hey it's a thread so Balta's got to be insulted for not understanding that framing is a stat sent from the gods.