Balta1701

The pessimist that they've drilled into me starting in 2013 says that the pitching won't benefit that much because the pitchers will have to treat every game as being lost if they give up a single run, so every pitch will have to be treated as a max effort pitch and they'll wear out and make mistakes too quick.

There's good reason to expect this development will happen though. Combine bringing in 2 million people per year for ballgames with a strong location in the city, this should be an area primed for growth if smart development is done. The company Related was noted as having built these sorts of developments in other cities, including New York. In general, they know what they're doing. In numerous other cities, ballparks have been used to drive development in areas by bringing in regular visitors, and that gives a baseline audience for restaurants, bars, hotels, and retail that allows those businesses to bring in other events, exist throughout the year, and draw in larger and larger crowds. If done correctly, this should work.

$11.7 million salary, limited positions, 1 year of control. Teoscar Hernandez only got a $15 million deal ($8 million deferred on top of that). How many prospects would you give up to save $5 or $6 million?

If this whole complex is developed? And the land in Bridgeport is redeveloped? Thousands.

Let’s say that Reinsdorf’s demand here isn’t reasonable, that they came up with a billion dollars because he wanted an impressive number to punish the taxpayers, and the government would lose massively if they said yes. If that blew up the deal, would that impact his future financing options?

This assumes there’s a market for prospects in exchange for Santander. Most of the moves like that involving position players have been attached to other moves as salary dumps this offseason.

Yeah right now anyone else in MLB thinks there’s probably a 50% or better chance Colas is on waivers before the deadline. Only so many 40 man roster spots available for all those Royal NRIs.

Question for you (or others who know finance). If the company that owns the 78 plot was generally working on Development, Reinsdorf comes in and says “add a ballpark and we can get this deal done”, everything gets to this point, and then Reinsdorf demands so much public money that they can’t justify it and the government balks, blowing up any deal for the site - does that affect Reinsdorf’s company long term? Like does it ruin his ability to get funding and loans for construction in Nashville? It seems to me like it should but I don’t know enough finance to say that for sure. Would it turn out to not matter because he could always get a Saudi loan or something like that?

Now answer this part - was he able to fully follow his normal offseason pre-hab routine during chemotherapy? We are hearing the usual about guys being in the best shape of their life coming into ST. Is that normal for chemotherapy patients, you come out of that immediately in the best shape of your life?

So stabilize taxes while spending untold billions and magically eliminate remote work? Makes sense to me, that’s how math works based on a couple of the exams I just graded.

You really believe he alone was managing his UCL issue with no other partners? No one else ever had feedback?

The reason I’ve been into this is that on paper it can work, and it should work. Putting together a campaign around developing this site, putting it out in February, seemingly having the developers who own the site on board- these are all smart, seasoned moves. This is how you’d handle this project if you actually wanted it to happen. But the hard part was always going to be the money - Reinsdorf and the developer need to make this a good deal for the city and state as well. We will see if they have.

The reason why you’d do this as a taxpayer isn’t baseball, it’s because a state of the art ballpark would be an anchor tenant to develop this site. Hopefully, with the attitude of the governor and most modern politicians, this is now a case where Reinsdorf telling the government “give me this money or I move my precious team to Nashville” winds up with them quickly saying “You can take I-65 the whole way.” Furthermore, if he’s negotiated with the developers who own this site, told them he could get this done, and pisses off the state by demanding a big fat payout for his precious team, that won’t sit well with any developers for financing in Nashville either. If he wants this to happen, then he needs to go to the government and show them honestly how putting $1.5 billion into things returns $3 billion in value to the city over the next 30 years, and with honest, non-Trump style valuations and reasonable occupation estimates. Showing off reasonable renderings of the entire site and making Chicacago look good is a minor step in this process, but it’s one we’ve seen. Thus, the government break even in the short term and gets the major long term benefit of the site developed. If Reinsdorf can’t demonstrate that, then yeah the state should nicely wave goodbye on moving day. This amount seems high to me, so yeah they better be able to offer a high quality justification better than “baseball is good”.

Do you really think this ballpark concept and site are mediocre?

The release of this at 4:00 on a Friday suggests they don’t think this will be terribly popular.

FWIW, he was coming back from Tommy John surgery as well as another injury to start the year. I'm totally ok with discounting his performance for last year - yeah great success would have been wonderful, but being back out pitching while healthy was still positive. This year we should expect and hope and demand for a lot better from him.

Neither of those guys count as "close to MLB-ready". You would certainly not try to trot them out for a full big league season.

If Moncada has a monster year, then hopefully he's tradable at the deadline. Get rid of the money and leave that on someone else. No way on Earth you extend him, not with a team controlled 1 year option.

No, they're in the business of winning baseball games, and "being smart about keeping your players healthy" is important in that. The fact that the White Sox have been bafflingly stupid about this in the past 2 years has been completely obvious and an illustration of why your version of this - "oh he says he can play therefore he's good" - doesn't work at all.

Getz wanted the type of return people in this thread have wanted. It's not an unreasonable ask, but given Cease's 2023 performance and the weak market, that offer hasn't yet been available.

Fundamentally disagree, given his injury history. If he is super anxious to pitch, somewhere in there you have a professional meeting with him and his doctors and lay out the rehab plan, focusing on making sure his elbow is healthy. Set reasonable milestones like having his fastball back before he's called up. If he doesn't meet those milestones, he's not facing big league hitters no matter how much he wants to. What kind of an inspiration is it to make it all the way back then have your body fall apart again a week later?

Of course Hendriks wanted to pitch as soon as he could. He's as competitive of a person as we've had in years, that's just his personality. That doesn't mean he should have been allowed to. His body had just been through a major shock, there's no possible way he could have had a normal offseason training program even if he had tried to, he had already missed a month last year due to his elbow, he had a long-running elbow issue that had to be managed, and when he first came back his velocity was noticeably down already. 29 teams would have at least said "We're taking this slow, we're going to build your arm up gradually, and we want to see your velocity come back to your normal level before we start putting you against big leaguers". Rick Hahn said "I need you to save my competitive bullpen good luck kid."

He hasn’t shown he can get big leaguers out since 2021, he darn well couldn’t get them out last year after Hahn raced him back to save his bullpen, and he hasn’t shown that he can get outs if guys have time to see him on the mound a second time through. At the very least, start him in Charlotte so you can see that he can get AAA hitters out.